Mandatory Artist Tagging From Pixiv, Seiga, etc...

The following came from topic #13112/p4, but I decided to start a new topic rather than sidetrack the other topic. The main thesis is in the topic title.

evazion said:

*Missing artists: number of uploads with a source but with no artist tag. This indicates people who need to be told to create new artist tags, especially for Pixiv uploads where the artist is easily available.

Provence said:

"Easily accessible"
Well, it is only easy accessible if you know japanese to create the artist tag since we use transliteration. Unless the name is already in roman letters, of course. So this is double-edged and these tables should be as definitive as possible.

I've often thought, and tell me if this is a bad idea, but shouldn't all users be encouraged to at least use some general artist tag if the picture has a source, even if they can't translate the artist name, e.g. pixiv1123453, seiga112321, tinami543443, nijie32553, etc...?

That way, all future uploads should at least fall under the same artist tag umbrella. As it stands, if I find a post with no Artist tag, not only do I have to create an artist entry, I have to search for other similar posts on Danbooru from the same artist that weren't tagged. This used to be easy under the old naming style on Pixiv, as the URLs were constant and related to the username. Now that they've mangled the image URLs, I have to go to the Artist page and liberally use IQDB to see if any other pictures from that artist either (a) were also not tagged with an artist tag or (b) were tagged with a different artist tag. This ends up being a lot of work on the backend, for what could be a small amount of work on the frontend.

Of course, Platinum- can't change those general artist names once they're created or delete artist duplicates, but Builder+ can. I'd much rather general names be used and have a little more work renaming/deleting. Thoughts?

BrokenEagle98 said:

Now that they've mangled the image URLs, I have to go to the Artist page and liberally use IQDB to see if any other pictures from that artist either (a) were also not tagged with an artist tag or (b) were tagged with a different artist tag. This ends up being a lot of work on the backend, for what could be a small amount of work on the frontend.

As a side note, if your browser supports userscripts (and GM_xmlhttpRequest), you can speed things up by combining Endless Pixiv Pages with Pixiv Image Searches and Stuff. The latter can automatically run pixiv:###,###,###... searches for all the pixiv images (disabled by default).

Laziness in tagging artists is a huge pet peeve of mine, so a big +1 to this. Not tagging artists just creates more work for those cleaning up after you. In the worst case the original image is deleted before anyone tags the artist (cf: bad_id arttags:0 source:*pixiv*). If you're lucky you can find it on SauceNAO, if not it's lost forever. Cleaning it up is a pain in the ass either way.

Just using the Pixiv ID or username is not ideal, but still a halfassed artist tag is better than no tag.

And it's okay to forget on rare occasions, but if someone makes a habit of it then that warrants a neutral record reminding them about howto:pixiv / topic #8199, and a negative record if they persist. Using your data on uploaders I see a number of users who still persist in not tagging artists despite being given warnings about it in the past.

The problem I have with creating an artist entry is that I cannot read japanese and that I worry about accidentally creating duplicate entries.

Generally, when I upload I would search for the artist tag by copying the twitter or pixiv profile into the artists search. When that doesn't work, I would leave artist_request on the image and go to forum #8199 and directly ask if the artist has a tag then add the tag myself. Is this an acceptable procedure or am I missing a step?

GiantCaveMushroom said:

The problem I have with creating an artist entry is that I cannot read japanese and that I worry about accidentally creating duplicate entries.

Generally, when I upload I would search for the artist tag by copying the twitter or pixiv profile into the artists search. When that doesn't work, I would leave artist_request on the image and go to forum #8199 and directly ask if the artist has a tag then add the tag myself. Is this an acceptable procedure or am I missing a step?

I'm doing this myself, and don't want to create multiple entries for an artist especially when we've had to update existing artist entries in a half-dozen cases.

As long as you're making a good faith effort to tag your uploads then it's fine. The problem is with people who upload a lot but make no effort whatsoever to tag their artists when they're not autodetected. I can't read Japanese either but I've always managed to figure out something to use as a tag.

IMO duplicate artists aren't a big issue. I'd rather have duplicates than untagged posts, since duplicates are easier to fix I think.

As for artist request, the wiki says not to use it when the source is known and I agree. The problem is not that you don't know the artist, it's that you don't know what their tag should be called. Just ask for help on the forum.

evazion said:
As for artist request, the wiki says not to use it when the source is known and I agree. The problem is not that you don't know the artist, it's that you don't know what their tag should be called. Just ask for help on the forum.

That's something I already do,which had gotten a lot of artist pages updated.

evazion said:

As long as you're making a good faith effort to tag your uploads then it's fine. The problem is with people who upload a lot but make no effort whatsoever to tag their artists when they're not autodetected. I can't read Japanese either but I've always managed to figure out something to use as a tag.

IMO duplicate artists aren't a big issue. I'd rather have duplicates than untagged posts, since duplicates are easier to fix I think.

As for artist request, the wiki says not to use it when the source is known and I agree. The problem is not that you don't know the artist, it's that you don't know what their tag should be called. Just ask for help on the forum.

Is that to say there should be an artist_request thread, or just use the "How do I tag this?" topic?

MFZbdude said:

Is that to say there should be an artist_request thread, or just use the "How do I tag this?" topic?

"Artist tagging help" is what you're looking for. (topic #8199)

RaisingK said:

As a side note, if your browser supports userscripts (and GM_xmlhttpRequest), you can speed things up by combining Endless Pixiv Pages with Pixiv Image Searches and Stuff. The latter can automatically run pixiv:###,###,###... searches for all the pixiv images (disabled by default).

I've added those to my browser and they have been very useful thus far. I'd like to know about anymore you might have (though perhaps this is the purview of another thread).

evazion said:

As long as you're making a good faith effort to tag your uploads then it's fine. The problem is with people who upload a lot but make no effort whatsoever to tag their artists when they're not autodetected. I can't read Japanese either but I've always managed to figure out something to use as a tag.

IMO duplicate artists aren't a big issue. I'd rather have duplicates than untagged posts, since duplicates are easier to fix I think.

As for artist request, the wiki says not to use it when the source is known and I agree. The problem is not that you don't know the artist, it's that you don't know what their tag should be called. Just ask for help on the forum.

I just want to say, you are right on the money on all of this. I try very carefully not to duplicate but it's better than none.