Cleanup?

I know some of you feel that the cleaning up of older posts (1 or 2 years old) does not need to be bothered with because they were uploaded before danbooru's rules came to be what they are now.

However I feel like it would be nice to have people go through the old uploads and clean the site up a bit. I can only imagine that if those are left to be openly viewed, it will mislead new uploaders to feel that those types of images are still acceptable.

Also, if the level of quality is kept high, I could see it giving new uploaders doubts as whether or not they should upload crap. There are so many horrible images on danbooru right now that they must feel it is perfectly ok to upload crap as well.

My impression is that most of the crap consists of recent posts.

I don't think this is necessarily a bad idea when it comes to clear rule violations, but it sort of goes against the current modding philosophy when it comes to quality. The system is carefully set up right now to avoid one person vetoing a post, instead everyone has to passively veto it before it dies.

Having one person go through and throw out things goes against this philosophy, and is sort of unaccountable being there is no way to list recently deleted pics. I'm not saying it may not be a bad idea to go through and do this, but I'm not sure one person going though and canning things is the best way to do it.

LaC said:
My impression is that most of the crap consists of recent posts.

And I was saying that this could be the case because they see old posts with that level of quality already here. Of course I have no way of saying that is true, and one can assume that a majority of people uploading now had no taste to begin with.

Again, I was hoping that cleaning up the site and keeping all the high quality images would deter new users from uploading crap in the first place.

Shinjidude said:
Having one person go through and throw out things goes against this philosophy, and is sort of unaccountable being there is no way to list recently deleted pics. I'm not saying it may not be a bad idea to go through and do this, but I'm not sure one person going though and canning things is the best way to do it.

I agree that only having one person going around destroying images is not a good idea because quality is in a sense, subjective. My suggestion was having the mods and/or janitors working together on this. I guess I didn't make that very clear.

LaC said:
My impression is that most of the crap consists of recent posts.

Whether that's so or not, I'm all for the principle of what homo's saying: removing the Grandfather Clause keeping old crap on here. The worst of the gigantic_breasts images is the only thing that comes to mind, as I was told at one point to stop flagging those posts because they were too old...

There's also most of the stuff in the Non-Anime Pool (pool #282), but that's not all old so maybe I'm getting off-topic?

I've always wanted to go through and pretty much wipe out every non-anime-related post, guro, etc. There are (almost) entire tags I'd gladly wipe. But it's just never been considered danboo policy to do it unfortunately.

I personally think albert should run some sort of script to delete every image in the non-anime pool. And like, double delete I mean, so people aren't stuck with a large number of deletions on their account for uploading something that was, at the time, within the rules.

For the record, I would for the most part consider these sort of tag/pool based things (gigantic_breasts, non-anime pool, etc), "clear rule violations". My only point of contention was having a single person as the sole discriminator of quality.

homeless_homo said:
And I was saying that this could be the case because they see old posts with that level of quality already here. Of course I have no way of saying that is true, and one can assume that a majority of people uploading now had no taste to begin with.

The vast majority of people won't dig that far back in the recesses of the site before starting to upload crap. A very few people do mention the old posts ("this kind of crap has been approved before!"), but it's not unlikely that they go digging for them *after* their crap has been deleted, to bolster their appeal.

In my opinion, most uploaders are just asshats with no taste, and cleaning up the old posts would be a lot of work for negligible gain. If you really feel the need to prevent people going "but but but" in the appeals thread, you can just make a pool called "OLD CONTENT - DON'T UPLOAD MORE LIKE THIS" and put the old content that's against the current rules in there. Bonus: it requires much less coordination and would produce less controversy than a deletion campaign.

jxh2154 said:
I've always wanted to go through and pretty much wipe out every non-anime-related post, guro, etc. There are (almost) entire tags I'd gladly wipe. But it's just never been considered danboo policy to do it unfortunately.

I personally think albert should run some sort of script to delete every image in the non-anime pool.

People have been de-modded before for messing with albert's porn. Just let it be. If you really want to delete a bunch of stuff nobody cares about, kill the yaoi: I don't think I've ever seen albert upload that.

Now, if we want to do something to help with the poor quality problem, I'd look at evazion's suggestion recently made in another thread: hide explicit posts from anonymous users. There's a strong correlation between porn and crappy posts (people are even worse judges of quality when they're thinking with their little head), so I think we should do something to discourage people from coming to danbooru for the porn. We want people to come here for the good art (and then they can upload erotica too, if it fits the bill). If all anonymous visitors could see were the clean posts, they would be less likely to treat this like a porn site.

I would suggest selective cleanup. Certain things, I think, should be kept just for the sake of hilarity. (post #9834) But there's no reason to keep EVERYTHING terrible just to show what danbooru used to be like.

I suggest starting small with obvious tags like poorly_drawn and toon. Decide what posts are either good or funny enough to keep and scrap the rest. Because really, what use are they?

I'm torn on what to do with the non-anime photos. Sexy-girl radar clouds my judgment, so that one is all on you guys.

Same opinion that LaC, but you know, people will just create an account and look at the explicit posts anyway.
I'll vote for the good old times were only privileged users can see the explicit pics.
Also I vote for deleting all the old shit even with the grandfather rule active.

Speaking of poorly_drawn, what should we do to the idiot who tagged post #384041 as such?

LaC said:
Speaking of poorly_drawn, what should we do to the idiot who tagged post #384041 as such?

Ideally, I would suggest an obligatory pop quiz on art. With slow lowering into a tank of hungry sharks as punishment for wrong answers.

But a pm from someone with status would suffice.

LaC said:
Speaking of poorly_drawn, what should we do to the idiot who tagged post #384041 as such?

Did the artist mean to draw in the black parts in mspaint? Just curious.

Also, another trend I've seen are idiots tagging oekaki as poorly_drawn; but now I think we're getting off topic.

As for your suggestion about pooling images that we consider "not worthy", I'm not opposed to that. It sounds like a good idea, but getting uploaders to look at the pool while knowing what the pool is trying to tell them will be hard.

jxh2154 said:
I've always wanted to go through and pretty much wipe out every non-anime-related post, guro, etc. There are (almost) entire tags I'd gladly wipe. But it's just never been considered danboo policy to do it unfortunately.

I personally think albert should run some sort of script to delete every image in the non-anime pool. And like, double delete I mean, so people aren't stuck with a large number of deletions on their account for uploading something that was, at the time, within the rules.

You do know that a good chunk of the non-anime posts were uploaded by albert himself, right? Though I didn't know that albert punishes people that mess with them, like LaC said (then again, I only recently involved myself here).

The pool sounds like a good idea. And there's already the comments option to discuss on each post. If the post stays, then these comments can be later deleted.

It's also a good idea to add, below the disclaimer in the upload page, a reminder of the TOS.

Maybe an update in the TOS can help. Especially in topics like:

• screenshot and cap (why some are approved and some not)
• look-I-have-over-9000-versions-of-this
• self artwork
• full doujins and manga

Reducing the available upload slots, for normal and even privilege members, can help to decrease the speed of incoming crap.

The way I see it, uploads are obviously seen like a "key" to "unlock" the contributor "status". The problem is that porn looks always like a pretty good option to get higher scores and amounts of favs. This way the user thinks he/she is doing it right.

Something that may help, to reduce this issue is to only check the users who can upload work-safe pics, danbooru related , and with really good quality and taste. Someone who knows what good art is, that doesn't involve huge breasts, nipples or pussy, usually knows what quality means for an explicit image.

(Is post #329420 toon?)

And finally, lets not forget over-sized penis, bestiality, and that multi-pussy stuff.

Elfenus said:
And finally, lets not forget over-sized penis, bestiality, and that multi-pussy stuff.

Photorealistic bestiality, to be specific.

LaC said:
Speaking of poorly_drawn, what should we do to the idiot who tagged post #384041 as such?

I'd tag that as edit. The anal beads are covering some of the text in the lower right.

About the actual topic, I'm with LaC.

I think that a pool for the older 'unworthy' stuff would be a good idea. We can defend posts we like/think should stay and if no-one bothers to defend something a mod can later delete it. Again, starting with the obvious toon, poorly_drawn etc. stuff would be best.

We can even make a system out of it. Let's say that every once a week or so, mods delete all of the posts in the pool that haven't been defended or don't have a debate currently going on about whether they should stay or not.

As for the old porn photos, I say leave them for now. Albert likes them, users like them, hell, I like some of them too. I don't think touching those would be a good idea unless either they're horrible quality pictures or Albert personally gives us the go-ahead.

I dislike the concept of deleting old stuff. I'm one of those guys who never throws out his old magazines and stuff, haha...

Anyway, I think there's a difference between not letting something in because it's against the rules, and throwing something out because the rules have changed. I don't believe in that "they see old posts and assume it's okay" theory, nor is there a real space issue where we have to delete to make room for new images, so I don't think there's a good reason to do it.

It almost certainly won't alleviate the much more pressing issue of the spring flood of terrible uploads lately, either. Some people have already pointed out that hiding explicit content from anonymous users might just cause an influx of bad people signing up, but I think it's worth a shot.