Tag discussion: "nazi"

So, after post #303448, I kind of started wondering if there even is a real need or purpose for this tag. Either way, it's prone to misuse and could use some cleaning up.

The general rule among the public seems to be that if it's german and somehow related to WW2, it's got to have the nazi tag, especially if there's a swastika to be seen somewhere, but apparently it's also enough to justify the tag if there's even as much as military uniform or iron cross symbol somewhere in the picture too, leading to pictures like post #347167, post #100876, post #152587 getting the nazi tag, which is pretty retarded.

If we're supposed to follow the danbooru tagging guideline of taging only what you see in the picture itself, then the existance of a semi-implicative tag like nazi becomes kind of mudded. I mean, I havn't seen any pics of people gassing Jews or one where people would clearly be debating the merits of a national-socialsim -driven economy for example.

My suggestion would be either:

1) go through the tag, create a new tag for ss_uniform (stuff akin to post #373472) and apply it & swastika where ever applicable, then kill the tag.

2) let the nazi tag be, but clear it up and only use it synonymously with the above decipted ss_uniform -tag.

And lastly, would we want to make a difference between pictures decipting the "real" and things like post #243456, whose design inspirations are bleedingly obvious but either don't try to mimic originals, or lack any real-world insignas? And if we want to keep them separate, what should the 'fakes' be tagged with in such case?

I'd suggest that the tag be used specifically for references of the Nazi party (ie images with the Nazi swastika or maybe text on the Nazi party, etc). I kind of think it'd be nice maybe for future images to be able to say search "swastika -nazi" to remove those swastikas in reference to the Nazi party.

A SS_Uniform tag sounds good imo, which I think should cover all images depicting the SS Uniform and uniforms based on the SS uniform. If we do create a SS_Uniform tag, should it have an implication to military_uniform?

Technically post #152587 is correct because it's a mecha musume of a nazi warship.

Just alias it to "wwii_german_uniform" if you're going to be this pedantic about it.

I have a bunch of options in my mind.
"ss_uniform" and "swastika"-where-applicable instead of "nazi", or
"nazi_uniform" for any images of a character wearing a uniform with SS runes or a swastika on it or in the image. That would also cover other non-SS uniforms, like Shrodinger's Hitler Youth uniform from Hellsing, for instance.
For images like post #243456, I'd go with just "military_uniform", regardless.

Log said:
Technically post #152587 is correct because it's a mecha musume of a nazi warship.

The point of the op post was that there is nothing inherently 'nazi' about a german warship (and many other things under the tag currently) just because it happens to be from the same time period when the nazi regime ruled germany.

NWF_Renim said:
I'd suggest that the tag be used specifically for references of the Nazi party (ie images with the Nazi swastika or maybe text on the Nazi party, etc). I kind of think it'd be nice maybe for future images to be able to say search "swastika -nazi" to remove those swastikas in reference to the Nazi party.

A SS_Uniform tag sounds good imo, which I think should cover all images depicting the SS Uniform and uniforms based on the SS uniform. If we do create a SS_Uniform tag, should it have an implication to military_uniform?

I like this differentiation. For the record, just to be clear;

-use the nazi tag only for things like post #138745, aka where ever the typical swastika-on-white-circle with red background logo is prominent.

-In instances where there's a swastika but not a clear referance to the nazi party emblem itself, tag picture with just swastika (post #303448, though in that particular instance i'd rather just leave it untagged since it's so small and irrelevant to the picture)

-pictures like post #138745 would get both nazi and ss_uniform tag.

-pictures like post #243456 would get ss_uniform but no nazi tag.

And continuing on a very related note, I think we also probably ought to make a separate iron_cross -tag, since it's a fairly common emblem/accessory in many military-themed pictures that aren't neccesarely directly related to any of the above tags (again, post #347167).

If no one has anything against this differentiation, I'll probably start implenting it either once I get back home from work or tomorrow the latest.

I don't really see what's wrong with the system as it stands. If anything, it would seem that ss_uniform should implicate nazi, since the SS only existed as a part of the Nazi's during WWII.

I'd say post #243456 should certainly not get ss_uniform (or wwii) for the same reason we don't tag generic skin-tight jumpsuits as plugsuits. I mean the influence is there, but it's obviously fictional, and as such wouldn't fit either ss_uniform or nazi. Military_uniform should also be there though, that should be another tag implicated by ss_uniform if we implement it.

Muey said:
The point of the op post was that there is nothing inherently 'nazi' about a german warship (and many other things under the tag currently) just because it happens to be from the same time period when the nazi regime ruled germany.

The frame of the image is the nazi flag and it was a ship that only sailed during WWII, but whatever.

Can't we just delete post #152587? It's a pretty crappy edit of an image we probably already have. Also, watermarked with bogus copyright notice. Ok, there it goes.

Shinjidude said:
I don't really see what's wrong with the system as it stands. If anything, it would seem that ss_uniform should implicate nazi, since the SS only existed as a part of the Nazi's during WWII.

What's wrong with the system is that there really isn't any clear system right now. I just wish for a clear-cut policy on what should be included in the tag and what not, in the hopes that it would lessen tag pollution and make things easier to search.

My initial idea to get rid of the tag completely stemmed from the point that it kind of is prone to abuse, but thinking now it's rather bad and would be counter-intuitive from an end-user standpoint.

Stressing that the nazi tag is mostly for pictures with the swastika-over-white-cricle-with-red-background seems like the most sensible choice to me - there probably aren't too many pictures lacking one you'd honestly want to add the tag to, and they can always be approached on a case-by-case basis. This wouldn't solve the problem of tag pollution though, as way too few people actually read the wiki entries of the tags, but I guess there's not much we can do about that.
An implication from ss_uniform sounds ok to me in the case we're taking the stricter line you proposed in regards to the tag.

I'd say post #243456 should certainly not get ss_uniform (or wwii) for the same reason we don't tag generic skin-tight jumpsuits as plugsuits.

I understand the logic, but where would you draw the line on what qualifies and what not? I mean, things like post #373472 and other 'artistic freedom' -takes on the subject aren't exactly issue wear either, yet I feel not adding the tag to them would be a waste.