Implicating naruko -> uzumaki_naruto.
Implicating satoko_(pokemon) -> satoshi_(pokemon).
Reason: Genderswap name to true name.
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Implicating naruko -> uzumaki_naruto.
Implicating satoko_(pokemon) -> satoshi_(pokemon).
Reason: Genderswap name to true name.
Updated by 10half
Hmm, do we still do this? I think kyonko -> kyon used to exist but was removed. I don't remember what the reason was. Maybe it had something to do with kyonko getting so many images that it was deemed able to stand on its own. I guess that's not the case with these two though.
Comments, anyone?
I'd just decide whether to tag the original character on a case-by-case basis. In some images, the genderswapped version is doing something totally unrelated to the original character, or at least not visibly related, in which case I don't think the original character should be tagged. And of course in some cases, like if you have a female mario defeating a female bowser or something, I'd definitely tag mario as well as whatever the equivalent tag for his female incarnation would be, if there were one.
0xCCBA696 said:
In some images, the genderswapped version is doing something totally unrelated to the original character, or at least not visibly related, in which case I don't think the original character should be tagged.
Æh, what? Please give an example, since I completely fail to understand what you mean.
Characters all have their own particular milieu, along with their own individual appearances. I'm saying we should only tag the original character based on the former, and not on the latter, since genderswapped characters with enough individuality to qualify for a separate tag probably shouldn't be lumped together with the physical profile of their originator.
Example of what I would not tag with kyon: post #446994
Example of what I might tag with kyon: post #419478
In short, I'd only tag kyonko as kyon if she was playing a role similar to kyon's normal role. I don't know how much of a separate existence kyonko has, and what is considered her "normal role", though, so I'm probably not too highly qualified to judge that distinction.
Of course, this is very subjective, and at least in the case of kyonko seems to be at odds with currently accepted tagging practice. It's just a suggestion.
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It seems like it would be simpler to implicate genderswaps to their original characters, and not fret about setting. Otherwise we'd have to explain that logic somewhere, like in the genderswap wiki, and constantly remind people.
If we set up the implication, then it's done and over with, but I kind of see it from Prof. Hex's viewpoint: we now have tags set for characters who are not in the pic. Sort of. Still, I'd go with the implication.
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Thinking about it, I believe if a genderswap takes on a life of its own, then it shouldn't require an implication to the original. I was thinking that under a certain threshold of images a genderswap should be implicated to the original, and after a certain level it should become an independent tag. A catch though, is that I'd imagine that genderswaps typically don't receive their own unique names until they've more or less taken on a life of their own already.
The best example of a genderswap taking a life of their own is obviously Kyonko. Looking at the numbers, if you combined all the Kyonko and Kyon images rough estimating 47% of them would only depict Kyonko, 49% Kyon, and very liberally giving 4% for depicting both. Of course the numbers involved with Kyonko is so much higher than any other genderswap, so it could simply be the exception to the rule.
Somewhat off-topic, but I think there needs to be tag or something to be able to search for images where the original and genderswap are paired up. The Kyon/Kyonko tags probably need it the most. Searching through 732 posts tagged both isn't pleasant.
NWF_Renim said:
Somewhat off-topic, but I think there needs to be tag or something to be able to search for images where the original and genderswap are paired up.
Hillside_Moose said:
dual_persona?
Yeah, I would use dual_persona genderswap
That would solve the simplicity problem, then. As long as they have their own name as a genderswap, no original character tag.
+1 for that idea. Like NWF Renim noted, people haven't been doing it anyway, so there wouldn't be much cleanup.
EDIT: OH--he was talking about the image content--not the tags. I checked uzumaki_naruto *naruko and there are actually quite a few of them, so for sure Naruko and Kyonko would require some labor no matter which way we went with it.
By the way: post #56493
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Way I'd seen it is that Naruko and Satoko are the same character, but in a female form, so it's essentially still Naruto & Satoshi, but with bewbs.
However, the point of life-of-their-own is a good one, esp. for someone/thing like Kyonko, who seems within the fan community something of a separate entity from its originator (something of a female clone than a true genderswap).
LOL--I haven't seen the Satoko tag yet. Satoko is actually a cross-dressing character per the wiki, but poses as a separate and recurring character, so yeah--I'd lump that one in too.
Of course there's 2773 genderswap pics out there as of today, so again, it may be an arduous cleanup since they have to be reviewed individually.
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Any objections to doing it this way?
1. Scan through genderswap tags for named alter-egos, make a list. The initial list shouldn't be very long.
2. If warranted, request removal of implications where they exist.
3. Go through the pics for each character searching on original_character+genderswapped_character and update the tags where the original character is not present.
Like I said it would be a bit of work, but hey--it's this or WoW, and I'm burnt out on WoW.