Uhh...no.
ryuubi specifically refers to the Koihime Musou version of the character, and there is no reason to use the Chinese version of the name, which is used with the Dynasty Warriors version of the character.
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Besides being used in dynasty warriors, "Liu Bei" is a historical character featuring in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, a famous ancient Chinese epic of which there are countless homages, parodies, references, retellings, adaptations, etc. in Japanese and Chinese media (dunno about Korean). In Japanese, that same person's name is pronounced "Ryuubi".
According to the Japanese Wikipedia, he's named 劉備 in Dynasty Warriors as well, which if pronounced in Japanese would also be "Ryuubi", for what it's worth.
So this is more a question of whether we consider these people to be separate entities from the historical/famous characters, and if so how to name them. I'd personally go for liu_bei with qualifiers unless there was a particular reason not to.
Oh god thats way overcomplicated.
Rot3K characters on Danbooru fall into three overarching categories.
Dynasty Warriors
Koihime Musou
Ikkitousen
The Dynasty Warriors versions of the characters are named using the Chinese names, the Koihime Musou versions with the Japanese names, and the Ikkitousen versions with the "full" Japanese name.
That gives us liu_bei, ryuubi and ryuubi_gentoku, all the same character, but from three different series, without going into ridiculous contortions.
Other versions can be named using qualifiers, but this system probably accounts for 95% of the Rot3K derived images on this site.
By the way, "ryuubi_gentoku" is the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese name plus the "style name", i.e. Liú Bèi Xuándé.
I still think we should have some sort of naming pattern that links those characters together, since they are essentially based on the same historical/mythological person. I don't think adding qualifiers is really "ridiculous contortions", and the current setup seems arbitrary.
I disagree.
The Ikkitousen and Koihime characters absolutely should not be referred to by the Chinese names, that would go completely against our standards here.
The Dynasty Warriors characters can more legitimately be reffered to either way, but giving them the chinese names (which are most appropriate to that setting) we neatly solve all the problems. Any other occurrences can be dealt with by using a qualifier on the Japanese or Chinese name, as appropriate.
There is nothing wrong with the system we already have in place for dealing with these names, and there is absolutely no reason to link the characters together cross-series. That achieves absolutely nothing of interest since they really have virtually nothing to do with each other anyway.
0xCCBA696 said:
I've never watched Ikkitousen or played Koihime Musou or Dynasty Warriors, so I suppose I wouldn't know.
I was going to ask if you had, because it really makes no sense for anyone who's had anythign to do with these franchises to take the position you took.
If they're really that separated from the historical characters, then the current tagging system is probably fine.
Who cares about the historical characters? This is an art site, not a history site. They have nothing to do with EACH OTHER at all. They share a motif, thats all.
The Ikkitousen characters are not a problem, since they are all named after "fighting style [surname] + historical counterpart [first name]", so their names are all unique.
The system as it is for Koihime and DW works, though in the future, qualifiers may be needed if someone in Japan decides to bastardize the story with yet another twist (someone will, I'm sure) or just make a Three Kingdoms work with the propper characters but using the japanized names (I think there was an anime series like that, but good luck on finding fanart of it). I'm not too big on letting the Koihime characters claim total ownership of the names, but as it is, there's no reason to differentiate them.
Guys, this is about implication, not aliasing. There is no problem with Ikkitousen or Koihime Musou characters having the original name tag in addition to their Japanese names. For me, it's interesting to see how different artists depict the same historical person, like in the barack_obama tag.
_dk said: Guys, this is about implication, not aliasing. There is no problem with Ikkitousen or Koihime Musou characters having the original name tag in addition to their Japanese names.
There is when that tag is already in use for a specific character. It doesn't seem worth having to qualify one of the series, let alone all, just for this. The umbrella tag for the historical figure would need to be qualified in that case.
And it still seems like a lot of unnecessary work.
_dk said:
For me, it's interesting to see how different artists depict the same historical person, like in the barack_obama tag.
If that's the purpose, wouldn't it be better served by a note on the relative wiki pages regarding the character's origin?