bisexual female and hetero

About half the posts under bisexual_female are currently tagged with hetero, despite the wiki claiming they're mutually exclusive (except for separate groupings).

People searching for yuri probably don't want to see dicks unless they're specifically searching for them, and the same can be said about people looking for gay porn but finding random women in their searches, but claiming that someone searching for hetero by default wouldn't want to see women kissing while having hetero sex or harems, or that those situations don't count as hetero sex, is laughable.

This seems like one of those clauses that someone came up with ten years ago to force everything into ordered categories while completely ignoring common sense and how users actually browse the site.

I'm opening this topic to discuss amending the wiki to remove this clause (hetero and bisexual female being mutually exclusive). A quick search on the post changes page shows that most users uploading this kind of content already ignore the clause anyway (it doesn't seem like it's a mass change a single guy is to blame for), so it's not like its presence makes any difference.

If we change the meaning of hetero from "a heterosexual romantic/sexual situation in an image" to "content that appeals to heterosexual men", that implies a lot of changes in the way we conceptualize orientation tags. For starters, we wouldn't have a tag for heterosexual women. (Arguably we don't, but we especially wouldn't now.)

feline_lump said:

If we change the meaning of hetero from "a heterosexual romantic/sexual situation in an image" to "content that appeals to heterosexual men"

Maybe I expressed myself unclearly, but that's not what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is that something like post #6233092 obviously depicts hetero sex, and there's no reason not to tag it as such.

Alright, not a big change, but I assume we're still going by "average Danbooru user is a straight guy" standards? Is post #1327050 (same thing, but bisexual male) hetero?

feline_lump said:

Alright, not a big change, but I assume we're still going by "average Danbooru user is a straight guy" standards? Is post #1327050 (same thing, but bisexual male) hetero?

As I mentioned in the OP, I doubt someone searching specifically for yaoi (or hetero) wants to see that kind of content, so I don't think bisexual male should be changed, and I can't imagine the community would accept such a change, but it's not the kind of content I care for so I'll let someone else open that can of worm (in another topic). I'm only arguing for bisexual female and hetero here.

Someone searching for yuri probably doesn't want to see two girls getting reamed from behind. (Same reason why we don't tag futa with orientation tags)
Someone searching for hetero probably doesn't wanna see a shota suckin' cock or two girls scissoring.
Someone searching yaoi probably doesn't want to see a girl riding the dude.

There's certainly an argument to be made for telling those people to just go blacklist bisexual*, especially given that people use these tags brainlessly, but I fall on the side of "just garden it and DM frequent offenders", much like we do for people who tag these on futa pics. I know you're arguing for just the one, but that makes me support it even less. Basing an uneven policy based purely on "straight dudes searching for sex being ok with girls kissing" is... strange, to say the least.

I'd like to revisit this.

The wiki was changed by NNT back in 2023, but almost two years later there is still a perfectly equal split in how we tag this:

• Post count for bisexual_female hetero : 1612
• Post count for bisexual_female -hetero : 1605

Personally, I agree with NNT and think that bisexual_female should be tagged as hetero. I'd guess suspect that 99% of people searching for hetero very much do want to see a girl getting fucking by a guy while also making out with another girl, and I'm confident that 99.9% of people who blacklist or remove hetero from their searches will also want to exclude bisexual_female.

That said, I can see the other side—it would be arbitrary or at least somewhat inconsistent to not also tag bisexual male posts as hetero, and the average hetero-searcher definitely doesn't want to see those.

Whichever way we go, it's stupid to have the application of the tags be so inconsistent, and I'd like to get a consensus one way or the other.