The nia_(queen)_(xenoblade) character tag was deleted and I don’t understand why? We literally have a character tag dedicated to Pyra and Mythra being in swimsuits. We even have a character tag based on whether Mythra has her SSBU tights on so why can’t there be a tag for an iteration of Nia that appears in a third mainline game with a vastly different design?(technically two new designs) Searching for art of this specific iteration of her is very frustrating. It’s not enough to use specific tag combinations like nia(blade)_(xenoblade) and short_hair because with the addition Nia’s blade costume in Wave 3 of the DLC this leads to a bunch of uploads of Mio instead of Nia. This is the same issue when looking up Nia with the copyright tag for Xenoblade Chronicles 3. There is over 100+ illustrations of XC3 Nia and they are needlessly hard to find in bulk because circumstances like the ones I mentioned before.
I don't really disagree, especially since she gets two outfits in the base game, not one. That said, if it is done then it should also be done with Melia.
(On a side note: the Pyra/Mythra swimsuit outfits have a tag simply because they're dlc outfits, and thus have been treated like other outfits. topic #18198)
Are you suggesting "_(throwback)" tags? Because they're exact replicas of past characters' outfits and deserve the requisite cosplay tags (e.g. nia_(blade)_(xenoblade)_(cosplay)). All you'd do is create redundancy.
We recently nuked all the Zelda tags with game qualifiers and I thought nia_(queen)_(xenoblade) was more of the same. If you wanted to search for a character's appearance in a specific game, you use game_tag + character_tag.
Besides, the "queen" form is Nia's default appearance in XC3. The post-game Hero outfit would've been a better candidate for its own tag since other characters can (and do) wear it. Something like nia_(lifesage)_(xenoblade)
Are you suggesting "_(throwback)" tags? Because they're exact replicas of past characters' outfits and deserve the requisite cosplay tags (e.g. nia_(blade)_(xenoblade)_(cosplay)). All you'd do is create redundancy.
We recently nuked all the Zelda tags with game qualifiers and I thought nia_(queen)_(xenoblade) was more of the same. If you wanted to search for a character's appearance in a specific game, you use game_tag + character_tag.
Besides, the "queen" form is Nia's default appearance in XC3. The post-game Hero outfit would've been a better candidate for its own tag since other characters can (and do) wear it. Something like nia_(lifesage)_(xenoblade)
I’m suggesting Nia has a specific tag based on the XC3 version of her(that would be used for both versions of that design) because that design is hard to find due to the throwback outfits added leading to Mio instead of Nia when trying to narrow search results.
“ game_tag + character_tag”
Does not work well because it keeps leading to images of Mio in the Nia throwback outfit or the wrong version of Nia that just happens to be in an illustration featuring characters from XC3 character. For example: post #6250245
Even if Nia has a different outfit as a lifesage it still counts as Queen Nia so they could just go under the same tag. Because as it stands it’s way harder to find either of those designs due to all the other complications as I already mentioned twice now. The Princess Zelda issue isn’t really comparable because of the sheer amount of different incarnations of Zelda hence why you just have to do your best to narrow things down with different versions of her when searching for her. But Nia’s solution was simple and that was just undone with its deletion. Using a character tag that’s solely unique to the XC3 Nia will make it easier for everyone to search for this verison of her. Because otherwise the alternative is to just temporarily blacklist every other tags that are getting in the way of the search and that’s a huge unnecessary inconvenience that technically still won’t really work.
I don't really disagree, especially since she gets two outfits in the base game, not one. That said, if it is done then it should also be done with Melia.
(On a side note: the Pyra/Mythra swimsuit outfits have a tag simply because they're dlc outfits, and thus have been treated like other outfits. topic #18198)
Does not work well because it keeps leading to images of Mio in the Nia throwback outfit or the wrong version of Nia that just happens to be in an illustration featuring characters from XC3 character. For example: post #6250245
So your one (1) example is worth making an exception for just Nia? Searches aren't 100% perfectly precise, but as long as the match-to-noise ratio is low, it's good enough.
So your one (1) example is worth making an exception for just Nia? Searches aren't 100% perfectly precise, but as long as the match-to-noise ratio is low, it's good enough.
I could literally keep going for pages(did this in order of each post that came up) More than half of the posts that come up when using the game + character tag as you suggested doesn’t bring up the desired result. Search results aren’t 100% but how does adding a tag for this version of Nia make things worst?? It only serves to make things easier. How is this any different than having a tag for blade Nia? By your logic Nia should have just had one tag for both designs and someone can add the long_hair tag to to differentiate between driver Nia and blade Nia. There is a reason why we don’t do that.
So your one (1) example is worth making an exception for just Nia? Searches aren't 100% perfectly precise, but as long as the match-to-noise ratio is low, it's good enough.
Just to make sure, i checked the next page. In the first sixty: 8 Queen outfit 12 Lifesage outfit 17 xc2 outfit alongside xc3 characters 3 throwback design (post #5939752) 2 xc3 nia in xc2 outfit 11 other
I forgot about her third outfit that appears in a single shot and I'm not a fan of making three different tags on top of the ones she already has. That said, the ratio is nowhere near "low", since not even half of the results (in a sample of 60 posts, out of 200) show the outfits he's searching for.
If there's so many wrong results then it makes sense to me to create a tag for it.
Yes, I agree! I did before and don’t mind taking the time to do so again I just wanted to make sure my efforts won’t be wasted by it being deleted again. Is there a tag name in mind that would be most ideal? Prior it was just nia_(queen)_(xenoblade) being similarly tagged like nia_(blade)_(xenoblade) but perhaps a different tag should be used?
I still don't know why, exactly, multi-tag searches are giving you trouble. Recently, I saw you tag post #6282291 with xenoblade_chronicles_2 (completely wrong, btw) and it gives me the impression your problem is self-inflicted.
I still don't know why, exactly, multi-tag searches are giving you trouble. Recently, I saw you tag post #6282291 with xenoblade_chronicles_2 (completely wrong, btw) and it gives me the impression your problem is self-inflicted.
Rex is a Xenoblade 2 character??? I’ve seen many uploads tagged the same way for characters that appear in multiple games(Fire Emblem tags are done like this a lot) So I’ve just been doing what I’ve seen. But that’s a major leap in logic to assume me doing that occasionally is what’s causing the issue. As I would have to be responsible for the majority of Nia posts in the first place for that to be the case which I most definitely am not.
I don’t even have a full page worth of Nia uploads and the few Xenoblade Chronicles 3 uploads I’ve done of Nia aren’t even tagged with Xenoblade Chronicles 2 unless that exact outfit design or version of the character is present. So I’m not even a factor in the overall issue. I don’t understand why you’re so adamantly against a specific tag like it’ll actively make searching worse.
This topic has spanned 8 days now I’m not gonna keep arguing back and forth on this. I’ve made my case several times. So I’ll leave it at that as far as personally presenting arguments.
I would prefer throwback tags over a queen tag (which is a game-specific character tag no different from princess_zelda_(botw), no matter how much you claim otherwise). At least it's an actual costume set, and it gets rid of cosplay examples that apparently hinder your search so much.
Rex is a Xenoblade 2 character??? I’ve seen many uploads tagged the same way for characters that appear in multiple games(Fire Emblem tags are done like this a lot) So I’ve just been doing what I’ve seen.
Characters are supposed to be tagged only with the copyright the appearance they have in the post is from. They're not just supposed to be tagged with any and all copyrights they appear in. See Dante_(devil_may_cry) devil_may_cry_1 vs Dante_(devil_may_cry) devil_may_cry_2 vs Dante_(devil_may_cry) devil_may_cry_3 for example. Some of the bigger copyrights (FE, Fate) have a problem with users not understanding this and just shotgunning copytags onto their uploads.
Fire Emblem’s returning character tags is what messed me up then because that’s where that sort of tagging is very prevalent and why I assumed it was normal. Especially in regards to Fire Emblem Heroes and Engage. But with the Nia uploads either I mistagged and someone graciously fixed them for me without me knowing or I simply wasn’t giving it much thought but managed to get them “correctly” tagged regardless. Either way this wasn’t something I understood or knowingly was doing wrong.
My main point was I know I personally wasn’t contributing to the issue of searching for XC3 Nia. I also still don’t agree with the alternative solution being proposed because it requires me to blacklist tags I would enjoy being able to see(just ones that I don’t want popping up **instead** of XC3 Nia’s design when looking for her).
But again I won’t keep arguing for my proposed solution as it’s going in circles.
I still don't know why, exactly, multi-tag searches are giving you trouble.
Before I take what nonamethanks said as a go ahead to make the tags, I would like to know what proposal you have to search for this in a reliable manner. (And to be quite frank, I would prefer to make it a gentag outfit like kourindou tengu costume, but I have no idea how to name it or if it would be pratical, since it would be 1:1 with nia's tag anyways)
Before I take what nonamethanks said as a go ahead to make the tags, I would like to know what proposal you have to search for this in a reliable manner.
Another issue with searching for costumes via gentags, besides multi-character posts polluting the search, is that you inevitably end up going past the member tag search limit, which wouldn't influence how we tag normally but now it's been a year without anyone being able to buy gold accounts.
