battle_standard -> war_flag alias

BUR #16992 has been rejected.

create alias battle_standard -> war_flag
create implication war_flag -> flag

there's a mix of the vertically-hanging banners and free-flowing flags in here, but banner is the more specific term for this type of thing (and many banners are also flags)

I'm not sure I follow the logic of the very broad and generic banner being the more specific term for a flag carried by military forces. If anything, I think it makes more sense to alias it to war flag (the name used on wikipedia, along with military flag, battle flag, and standard) and separate it from other types of banners, maybe with an implication. Doesn't really make much sense to me to make a distinct concept harder to search for.

hm. I thought that banner was for the army flags, but it seems like a motley assortment of military and civilian flags. what is the line between banner and flag? "banner" makes sense for things like post #6296443 and nobori, but there's a ton of post #6254958 flags in there too.

anyways, updated the BUR.

BobTheBuilder_v1 said:

hm. I thought that banner was for the army flags, but it seems like a motley assortment of military and civilian flags. what is the line between banner and flag? "banner" makes sense for things like post #6296443 and nobori, but there's a ton of post #6254958 flags in there too.

anyways, updated the BUR.

Banners (heraldic object) are usually vertically-aligned. And both sides may be supported or not. This (post #6288479) is an example of a banner. While flags used to have horizontal aspect ratio, fluttering free by wind.

World_Funeral said:

Banners (heraldic object) are usually vertically-aligned. And both sides may be supported or not. This (post #6288479) is an example of a banner. While flags used to have horizontal aspect ratio, fluttering free by wind.

that's a good point. would it be worthwhile then to create war banner to complement war flag? all the current vertical military banners could be moved over to war banner to keep birthday banners and shopfronts like post #6151051 and post #5987535 separate. would also be a good idea to update the flag and banner wikis to reduce overlap.

BobTheBuilder_v1 said:

that's a good point. would it be worthwhile then to create war banner to complement war flag? all the current vertical military banners could be moved over to war banner to keep birthday banners and shopfronts like post #6151051 and post #5987535 separate. would also be a good idea to update the flag and banner wikis to reduce overlap.

Thanks. Go ahead, had better fixing the wikis first. It will be a good idea to create war banner at first. Based on image search results, war banners are depicting to have vertical aspect ratio.

Was skeptical at first but this does seem to be the most common terminology for both types + even when the flag is used as a weapon. Agreed that having a separate tag for vertical standards/vertical banners/vertical flags is still worth it. Might have the same issues as other orientation-related tags, but maybe vertical flag would be easiest

BUR #17012 has been rejected.

create alias vertical_flag -> banner
create implication war_banner -> banner

an additional line to distinguish banner based on orientation, and an implication for war banner.

battle standard can apply both to the vertical and the horizontal ones.

We should probably implicate banner to flag tbh.

nonamethanks said:

battle standard can apply both to the vertical and the horizontal ones.

what you're envisioning then is war flag/banner for (military) horizontal and vertical flags, battle standard as a parent tag, and flag as a parent-parent tag? that sounds fine.

We should probably implicate banner to flag tbh.

I'll make a new BUR with everything on it for accessibility.

BUR #17265 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication war_flag -> flag
create implication war_banner -> banner
create implication war_flag -> battle_standard
create implication war_banner -> battle_standard
create alias vertical_flag -> banner

as above.

updated: removed imply banner -> flag

So we're fine with tagging things like post #6339357 and post #6317204 as flags?

ah, I completely forgot about birthday banners and the like, thanks. I’ll remove it for the moment, but it might not be a terrible idea to make a subtag for these types of non-flag banners.

blindVigil said:

So we're fine with tagging things like post #6339357 and post #6317204 as flags?

That's a good point. We'll have to tag banner flags manually I suppose.

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