TF2 character implications

BUR #23446 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

If we're going to have different colors for each team they should imply base class.

Seems a bit unnecessary to even have these color tags in the first place imo.

Jar_of_Flies said:

Seems a bit unnecessary to even have these color tags in the first place imo.

I would agree, though I guess if someone was looking for a character in the middle of combat if would be a good way to assure you dont stumble across RED Scout attacking various BLU when looking for BLU Scout pictures.

Ultimately they're about as useful/useless as any other costume tags. If they're going to exist they should be implicated.

BUR #23448 has been rejected.

nuke red_sniper_(tf2)
nuke blu_sniper_(tf2)
nuke blu_demoman_(tf2)
nuke red_demoman_(tf2)
nuke blu_soldier_(tf2)
nuke red_soldier_(tf2)
nuke blu_medic_(tf2)
nuke red_medic_(tf2)
nuke blu_engineer_(tf2)
nuke red_engineer_(tf2)
nuke blu_heavy_(tf2)
nuke red_heavy_(tf2)
nuke blu_spy_(tf2)
nuke red_spy_(tf2)
nuke red_scout_(tf2)
nuke blu_scout_(tf2)
nuke red_pyro_(tf2)
nuke blu_pyro_(tf2)

Alternative BUR for people who dont want these tags. Though i dont see the difference between these and Vtuber costume #60 I guess more options in voting are always good.

BUR #23599 has been rejected.

I agree that any of these should definitely imply the class, but why not just have color tags be separate? it isn't perfect but it is more feasible. Though arguments could be made for specifics like red spy given meet the spy making him a bit unique...

BUR #23600 has been rejected.

Alt without the nuke. On the fence about that personally.

War6t2 said:
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I don't think having character tags implicate a gentag is normally how we do it? I can't think of any tags like that. In the case that the color-specific versions of the characters are nuked though I don't mind having a BLU or RED tag for group pictures of the teams. My only issue would be using both on mixed-color pictures turning it into a padding tag for TF2 posts.

zetsubousensei said:

I don't think having character tags implicate a gentag is normally how we do it?

It's not. In fact, topic #25591 is about Evazion going out of his way to remove all the old cross-category implications we did have, many of them of this nature. On that ground alone, I know neither BUR is going to pass for that very simple reason.

One of the original two you created to try and solve this issue might though. But I don't really have much an opinion on that due to not being into TF2.

zetsubousensei said:

I don't think having character tags implicate a gentag is normally how we do it? I can't think of any tags like that. In the case that the color-specific versions of the characters are nuked though I don't mind having a BLU or RED tag for group pictures of the teams. My only issue would be using both on mixed-color pictures turning it into a padding tag for TF2 posts.

Maiden_in_Orange said:

It's not. In fact, topic #25591 is about Evazion going out of his way to remove all the old cross-category implications we did have, many of them of this nature. On that ground alone, I know neither BUR is going to pass for that very simple reason.

One of the original two you created to try and solve this issue might though. But I don't really have much an opinion on that due to not being into TF2.

You're both completely right. That was me fucking up some of the technical aspects of the order of which the bur would be implemented system wise. I meant to essentially alias all of them to the class but have the blu/red team tags added first as to not waste that existing tagging. I thought if we just aliased them we wouldn't be able to see which were tagged blu_x red_x and it would be harder to add blu_(tf2) and such to those posts after.

BUR #23630 has been rejected.

This is what I really mean. In the mean time should someone just go though the blu x and red x tags to add teams to them?

zetsubousensei said:

BUR #23448 has been rejected.

nuke red_sniper_(tf2)
nuke blu_sniper_(tf2)
nuke blu_demoman_(tf2)
nuke red_demoman_(tf2)
nuke blu_soldier_(tf2)
nuke red_soldier_(tf2)
nuke blu_medic_(tf2)
nuke red_medic_(tf2)
nuke blu_engineer_(tf2)
nuke red_engineer_(tf2)
nuke blu_heavy_(tf2)
nuke red_heavy_(tf2)
nuke blu_spy_(tf2)
nuke red_spy_(tf2)
nuke red_scout_(tf2)
nuke blu_scout_(tf2)
nuke red_pyro_(tf2)
nuke blu_pyro_(tf2)

Alternative BUR for people who dont want these tags. Though i dont see the difference between these and Vtuber costume #60 I guess more options in voting are always good.

pocket_medic_(tf2) is a specific accessory, not a costume.

Veraducks said:

pocket_medic_(tf2) is a specific accessory, not a costume.

I added it intentionally because I figured I'd clean up all the excess character tags in one BUR, but I'll remove it since it is a different thing. Pocket medic is just a character doll though, shouldn't it be a gen-tag?

War6t2 said:

BUR #23630 has been rejected.

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create alias red_sniper_(tf2) -> sniper_(tf2)
create alias blu_sniper_(tf2) -> sniper_(tf2)
create alias blu_demoman_(tf2) -> demoman_(tf2)
create alias red_demoman_(tf2) -> demoman_(tf2)
create alias blu_soldier_(tf2) -> soldier_(tf2)
create alias red_soldier_(tf2) -> soldier_(tf2)
create alias blu_medic_(tf2) -> medic_(tf2)
create alias red_medic_(tf2) -> medic_(tf2)
create alias pocket_medic_(tf2) -> medic_(tf2)
create alias blu_engineer_(tf2) -> engineer_(tf2)
create alias red_engineer_(tf2) -> engineer_(tf2)
create alias blu_heavy_(tf2) -> heavy_(tf2)
create alias red_heavy_(tf2) -> heavy_(tf2)
create alias blu_spy_(tf2) -> spy_(tf2)
create alias red_spy_(tf2) -> spy_(tf2)
create alias red_scout_(tf2) -> scout_(tf2)
create alias blu_scout_(tf2) -> scout_(tf2)
create alias red_pyro_(tf2) -> pyro_(tf2)
create alias blu_pyro_(tf2) -> pyro_(tf2)

This is what I really mean. In the mean time should someone just go though the blu x and red x tags to add teams to them?

No, wait until one of these is decided on. If the first BUR goes through there is really no need for a bulk RED_team tag since you can search individual REDs.

zetsubousensei said:

I added it intentionally because I figured I'd clean up all the excess character tags in one BUR, but I'll remove it since it is a different thing. Pocket medic is just a character doll though, shouldn't it be a gen-tag?

I would think yes, but it seems that the Balloonicorn is also a chartag, which is odd. Probably best as a discussion for another time.

As far as I know technically according to TF2 lore members of the blu team and the red team are different people who just happen to look and act very similar.

KagayakuShiningGate said:

As far as I know technically according to TF2 lore members of the blu team and the red team are different people who just happen to look and act very similar.

Kind of, but it's inconsistent. In the official comics for instance there is only one Spy and one Scout and they are set at the team they are with, we never see two characters of the same class except for the TF1 classics. The official animated videos have characters from the same class but opposing teams interact though it never specifies what the nature of that is. There is some official material that hints at them all being clones of the same people but that's almost certainly a joke.

I think that's all besides the point though. Since currently almost every single post featuring the color tags already has the broader class tag with the exception of cosplay posts like post #309276. That means these tags are either bloat which should be removed or need to be implicated to the tag that they are effectively a costume of.

I was mostly thinking of the WAR! comic being specifically about an inter-team friendship: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/WAR!_Comic

TF2 is extremely silly and it's likely that all explanations are both right and wrong to some degree. If not actually fully right for some reason, because, again, TF2 is extremely silly.

This does not change the fact that the two teams (four, in some ancient code) are nothing more than palette swaps of each other, especially for tagging purposes. These tags were all made by one person. They're very much padding and it is fairly silly to have an umbrella of all things for two (2) palette swaps.

I think we've gotten a little umbrella-obsessed in recent tagging sprees.

The bulk update request #23446 (forum #269293) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #23448 (forum #269298) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.