FEH and Pokemon Masters Ex alts

I don't play any gacha so I don't know if there's some marked difference between these two games

but why do official alternate costume posts for Pokemon Masters Ex only have the Masters EX copyright tag and not also the original game copyright tag where the character comes from? e.g. Irida (special costume) (pokemon) posts and how they don't have Pokemon Legends: Arceus tagged

Fire Emblem Heroes alts on the other hand seem to nearly always have the character's original game tagged in addition to the FEH copyright tag. e.g. Ike (brave_mercenary) (fire_emblem) nearly always has both the Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance tag and the Fire Emblem Heroes tag. same goes for pretty much any FEH alt I see.

are one of these wrong? does that one need a (metric ton) of gardening/fixing if so?

if you ask me I prefer how FE posters do it. if people searching for a character (or searching through a game tag e.g. Fire Emblem Awakening) doesn't want to see a FEH alt they can just minus Fire Emblem Heroes from the search. this system also makes fire_emblem_heroes copytags:2 (i.e. only Fire emblem heroes and the master fire emblem tags) a good search if someone only wants to see FEH original characters (e.g. the characters that only appear in FEH and not the mainline FE games).

again I don't play these games so there might be something I'm missing. also not sure how other gacha games for other anthology franchises do it, and if FEH is really the odd one out

Edit: wording / clarity

I don't know enough about Pokemon Masters EX to comment on how they do it
Apparently some people don't like that Heroes posts also contain the original copyright over copyright-stacking/dilution. Truth be told, I hadn't really ever thought of it, since for FEH it's been done this way from the start

It may be good to get somebody in #technical over on the server to run a check on FE-related queries to see what users are and aren't doing. I don't know if excluding the original copyright is the right thing to do and was not aware that the pokemon gacha did it.

While the copytags:2 trick is nice, I can't imagine it's something intuitive to do for the average person.

Personally, I'm not sure I like excluding the original copyright tag since it'll mean that if somebody unaware of Heroes tries to look up stuff for a specific game, they'll miss out on all the heroes-related content for that game and its characters. My impression is that if you're gonna look up a game's waifus for example, you presumably don't mind if the swimsuit is the FEH-official version or not, right? If we exclude FEH, you're likely to miss out on a lot of art you may have enjoyed (even and especially the ones that get the Heroes tag over a minor detail or character cameo). At this point I'd wager a not-insignificant amount of the FE games have more heroes-related art than not.

I don't know best practices regarding the usage of exclusions in search and whether it's better/worse for the average user to include it, but IMO it's better especially for lurkers or standard members to have to exclude and keep their second tag open for whatever, as opposed to having to include both the original game + heroes just to be able to look at all the art of a given character. You can theoretically achieve a similar result with just negatives here, but it'd require having to exclude the rest of the FE games as opposed to just excluding Heroes

it might be worth it to also see what Pokemon queries involving Masters look like, too

A good while ago, Pokémon and Fire Emblem did the same thing:
No costume tags, only copyright tags.

There's also reluctance from people from tagging too many copyrights on a solo image, the same concerns with the costume tagsplosion that can occur (especially when major Fate characters show up). Combine this with how FEH has a larger playerbase despite Pokémon (the franchise) being massive and Master Sex having a far smaller showing in art and attention from taggers/uploaders...

I think this is mostly a case of odd practices and laziness getting clogged up. In fact, there are still some characters from both franchises that have no secondary character tags and instead only use copyright tags. It's a pain in the dick to find specific Anna pictures what with her 14 designs +9 costumes for several different designs. Only semi-recently did Hex Maniac get a specific tag for the original RSE design, both of which were things I would've done myself but received negative responses when raising whether or not we should.

As such, yes there needs to be a metric buttload of gardening after a discussion to decide which one is the correct way to do things. For my own opinion, despite the concerns about heavy copyright tagging, I think it's best to tag the original copyright alongside the mobile/gacha game in these cases, when applicable. Yes, this means we may end up with three or even four copyrights (Fire Emblem + FEH + original game [+someone tagging both RD and PoR on an Ike pic]) on a solo image, but that's better than someone missing post #4680774 and post #1201287 when searching Sacred Stones.

The current standard for Pokemon tagging is that you tag the version of the character currently depicted in the image, and not their origins. I am strongly opposed to changing this.

If I search for a copyright, then I want that copyright specifically, not a bunch of gatcha outfits that have nothing to do with it. Gatcha game copyrights have a habit of bloating their tag counts, whilst ignoring the downsides of doing so. I don't want to append a bunch of "-copyright" to a search, just to see results specifically from that copyright. The issue worsens the more copyrights a character has been in, because your search gets that much more complicated to perform.

Veraducks said:

Only semi-recently did Hex Maniac get a specific tag for the original RSE design, both of which were things I would've done myself but received negative responses when raising whether or not we should.

I didn't realize somebody had made that tag, or I would have nuked it. The design from Pokemon RSE has a tiny number of posts, but if you wanted to find it, you can search for it with hex_maniac_(pokemon) pokemon_rse.

Obst said:

The current standard for Pokemon tagging is that you tag the version of the character currently depicted in the image, and not their origins. I am strongly opposed to changing this.

If I search for a copyright, then I want that copyright specifically, not a bunch of gatcha outfits that have nothing to do with it. Gatcha game copyrights have a habit of bloating their tag counts, whilst ignoring the downsides of doing so. I don't want to append a bunch of "-copyright" to a search, just to see results specifically from that copyright. The issue worsens the more copyrights a character has been in, because your search gets that much more complicated to perform.

I didn't realize somebody had made that tag, or I would have nuked it. The design from Pokemon RSE has a tiny number of posts, but if you wanted to find it, you can search for it with hex_maniac_(pokemon) pokemon_rse.

I'm not saying to mass tag Brock with the Let's Go tags because he shows up there. I'm saying that Brock should be tagged as where he's from when relevant. It's more relevant than usual in Pokémon due to many of the costumes showing up in Master Sex.

...it's also me saying that it's really weird that you won't make character tags for these costumes and instead want to use copytags in place of them. If you want less copytags to be used to identify characters, you need to make chartags to identify characters. Half of that search you suggest is false positives. And that Anna is an egregious example, as well.