Disambiguate sunfish

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Zalza

BUR #33092 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias sunfish -> ocean_sunfish
mass update favgroup:37190 -> -ocean_sunfish
remove alias sunfish -> ocean_sunfish
create alias mola_(fish) -> ocean_sunfish

"Sunfish" can refer both to the ocean sunfish / mola and a completely different freshwater sunfish. At present the tag mostly refers to the ocean sunfish post #3070443 but freshwater sunfish are being posted as well post #3599374 with the wiki needing to warn against it. These look nothing alike and most people are looking for the ocean sunfish. Ocean sunfish and mola mola are both proper term for the fish but there are multiple species of mola so "mola mola" might not be a good tag.

Edit: I'm not sure but it looks like the freshwater sunish was the original "sunfish" with the mola mola also being called the "ocean sunfish" so not sure what to do with that and if we want it to just be called "sunfish" or "freshwater sunfish".

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GreyOmega

For post #3599374 is it a freshwater sunfish or is it just a generic fish someone decided to tag as a sunfish? Of note, if assuming realism, why is a character whose the personification of an African bird catching a fish from a family of freshwater fish only native to North America?

The user who tagged post #3599374, is also the same person who tagged the only other example, post #7120249, of a "freshwater sunfish." If they were able to identify it as from the family of freshwater sunfishes, they should have easily been able to identify the specific species and name instead of the overly broad family name that contains some 34 species of varying appearance.

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Zalza

GreyOmega said:

For post #3599374 is it a freshwater sunfish or is it just a generic fish someone decided to tag as a sunfish? Of note, if assuming realism, why is a character whose the personification of an African bird catching a fish from a family of freshwater fish only native to North America?

The user who tagged post #3599374, is also the same person who tagged the only other example, post #7120249, of a "freshwater sunfish." If they were able to identify it as from the family of freshwater sunfishes, they should have easily been able to identify the specific species and name instead of the overly broad family name that contains some 34 species of varying appearance.

The wiki directly mentions the tag is used for both (which is pretty bad given that they're completely different), as for that user let's just ask them.

@John_Doubloon

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John Doubloon

Zalza said:

The wiki directly mentions the tag is used for both (which is pretty bad given that they're completely different), as for that user let's just ask them.

@John_Doubloon

I appreciate you tagging me. I believe that separating the ocean sunfish and the freshwater sunfish in their own tags would be better as they are both very different from each other. I support your second BUR but I would keep sunfish as an alias to mola_(fish) because when people think of sunfish, they would usually think of the ocean sunfish. Creating a tag for freshwater sunfish separate from sunfish seems like a good idea and it could look something like sunfish_(freshwater).

GreyOmega said:

generic fish someone decided to tag as a sunfish?

I see that I have tagged post #3599374 mistakenly. The closest fish I had in mind was tilapia, which is a type of cichilid that is native to Africa but it looks too different from regular tilapia. So, leaving it just tagged as fish would do.

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Zalza

John_Doubloon said:

I appreciate you tagging me. I believe that separating the ocean sunfish and the freshwater sunfish in their own tags would be better as they are both very different from each other. I support your second BUR but I would keep sunfish as an alias to mola_(fish) because when people think of sunfish, they would usually think of the ocean sunfish. Creating a tag for freshwater sunfish separate from sunfish seems like a good idea and it could look something like sunfish_(freshwater).

I see that I have tagged post #3599374 mistakenly. The closest fish I had in mind was tilapia, which is a type of cichilid that is native to Africa but it looks too different from regular tilapia. So, leaving it just tagged as fish would do.

Of course, it often seems silly when this site makes assumptions on user tagging instead of just... well, asking them. It seems a lot of drama here is caused by that. Initially I did not have a prefference for whether we went with mola_(fish) or ocean_sunfish but wikipedia has some conflicting info on wether "ocean sunfish" refers to all species of mola or just mola mola. The wikipedia for the genus starts of with this:

A sunfish, also called a mola, is any fish in the genus Mola (family Molidae).

Then has this weird bit at the bottom.

Species

There are currently 3 recognized extant species in this genus:[5][6]

Mola mola (Linnaeus, 1758) (Ocean sunfish)
Mola alexandrini (Giglioli, 1883) (Southern sunfish)
Mola tecta Nyegaard et al., 2017 (Hoodwinker sunfish)
†Mola pileata (extinct), Upper Miocene to Middle miocene

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mola_(fish)

So my best guess is it's both. "mola_(fish)" is also the tag used on e621.net (and as I saw while writing this, in the wiki url) so that's greater cross site compatibility when it gets scraped but on the other hand I seemingly only see people reffering to them as mola molas (regardless of species) or ocean sunfishes in speech.

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ANON TOKYO

Zalza said:

... so that's greater cross site compatibility when it gets scraped but ...

I have no strong opinions which way it goes (I've personally mostly heard "Sunfish" but I haven't exactly come across it often enough for that to be a meaningful sample size), but when other sites scrape Danbooru it's up to them to be compatible with us. Imagine if we had to run every single change by all major sites that scrape Danbooru just to be sure we aren't fucking anything up for them, that'd be ridiculous.

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Zalza

ANON_TOKYO said:

I have no strong opinions which way it goes (I've personally mostly heard "Sunfish" but I haven't exactly come across it often enough for that to be a meaningful sample size), but when other sites scrape Danbooru it's up to them to be compatible with us. Imagine if we had to run every single change by all major sites that scrape Danbooru just to be sure we aren't fucking anything up for them, that'd be ridiculous.

That is fair, I just thought would be worth mentioning. If anything I would prefer e6 changing their tag if "coean sunfish" isn't some kind of scientifically innacurate when applied to non mola mola molas (that's a fun sentence).

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