Arbitrary nationalism/patriotism divide

BUR #38849 is pending approval.

create alias patriotism -> nationalism

In 2022, user EmergencyFoodPaimon hijacked the nationalism tag and defined it with a incorrect definition, claiming it was "An ideology that promotes self-governance and self-determination of a nation (group of people), that does not currently exist," and redirecting previously-correct posts to patriotism instead.

Patriotism and nationalism are functionally synonyms. The difference between patriotism and nationalism is because the former is for your country/state, and the latter is for your nation, and people synonymize "country/state" and "nation" despite them having two different definitions because of the normalization of the nation-state. That's why nationalism is considered stronger than patriotism, because the former wants the latter to be the former.

So given that most folks would sooner think of nationalism than patriotism, I'm aliasing the latter to the former.

BUR #38852 is pending approval.

mass update pool:11772 -> patriotism
nuke pool:11772

While we're at it, I think we should merge the pool "Extreme Patriotism" (pool #11772) into the Patriotism tag too, since it is highly subjective on what is considered "extreme" depiction of patriotism.

BUR #38853 is pending approval.

create alias nationalism -> patriotism

I think it should be kept as patriotism.

Damian0358 said:

BUR #38849 is pending approval.

create alias patriotism -> nationalism

In 2022, user EmergencyFoodPaimon hijacked the nationalism tag and defined it with a incorrect definition, claiming it was "An ideology that promotes self-governance and self-determination of a nation (group of people), that does not currently exist," and redirecting previously-correct posts to patriotism instead.

Historically speaking, Paimon is actually correct in that is the primary difference between nationalism and patriotism, but I agree that this is not the place for such minutiae. In terms of functional use, nationalism is the more limiting term, as the only images it would really apply to would be those of Palestine or Tibet or that one artist's alt history of an early 20th century Korean empire.

So, aliasing nationalism to patriotism makes more sense to me.

Historyanon said:

Historically speaking, Paimon is actually correct in that is the primary difference between nationalism and patriotism, but I agree that this is not the place for such minutiae.

For tagging purposes, yes, which is why regardless of which one aliases which, it's best to lump them together. But I will remind everyone present that the concept of nationalism reached its prominence thanks to the French Revolution, which directly contradicts the given definition, because the French state already existed, but it wasn't solely in the name of the French nation (and then the French pushed their view of nationalism across Europe), contrasting Palestine and Tibet where neither state nor nation are fully self-governing.