Reverse Trap -> Bifauxnen

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Jemnite

zetsubousensei said:

What are you even talking about? The appeal of reverse_trap is that post #149676 and post #1223428 are indistinguishable from boys it has nothing to do with the gender role, suits, or anything like that. It's purely a visual descriptor. Handsome Ladies is not an equivalent and what that JP term above seems to be talking about would be like if we lumped OnK in with Girly boy.

Dansou_no_reijin and the others above are much broader terms which is why if we need to change the term I'd rather it be blunt word swap. I get no one uses reverse_otoko_no_ko, that's because there isn't an equivalent term that isn't reverse_trap.

What's the use case where you can't just search for androgynous or ambiguous gender instead?

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Jemnite

zetsubousensei said:

Ambiguous_gender cannot be used with 1boy or 1girl. It literally means you cannot tell the character's gender and it is unknown.

Androgynous means that a character has elements of both genders in their design but it does not mean that you cannot tell that they are one or the other. For instance post #1305034, post #8582096, post #2724259.

There is overlap but they are not equivalent terms.

That's not what the wikipage says:

Use this tag for characters with facial or bodily features deliberately drawn in a way that makes it ambiguous whether they're male or female. Otoko no kos, bishounens, reverse traps and handsome ladies often display this trait.

tamuraakemi said:

there isn't any reason to kill a tag that people both use and tag relatively consistently

established "archetype" + reasonable visual definition

My only thought is that I don't understand what niche this tag fills. We have bishounen for feminine lookings boys who are still visibly male, otoko no ko for boys who look like girls, androgynous when it's completely ambiguous so it feels essentially like a redundant tag?

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zetsubousensei

Jemnite said:

That's not what the wikipage says:

Yes they display the trait. There is overlap, but it is not the same thing. You could say all girls who are reverse_traps are androgynous, but not all androgynous girls are reverse_traps.

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Jemnite

zetsubousensei said:

Yes they display the trait. There is overlap, but it is not the same thing. You could say all girls who are reverse_traps are androgynous, but not all androgynous girls are reverse_traps.

What's the difference?

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zetsubousensei

Jemnite said:

What's the difference?

As seen above girls who are merely androgynous can display traits like breasts or be obviously female even if they display masculine traits. Take post #4482625 where the girl is muscular like a man but still visibly female. Or this one post #8851969 where the girl has short hair and a male military uniform but also breasts.

Kino is my personal (favorite) standard for reverse trap because she is not obviously female and if you didn't know the copyright you would tag her as 1boy. That is the difference. There should be no indication the girl is... a girl.

It's like the the difference between a long haired bishie villain and Astolfo basically. Both are androgynous but only one is a girl to people who haven't seen the show.

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Ylimegirl

this user created their account today just to make this bur? nothing else first? really?

Not every depiction of a "girl who looks like a guy" is a butch. Most in anime are closer to reverse bishounens. Look at just the first page of results for reverse trap. Most if not all of them do not fall into the butch category.

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