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BUR #49937 has been rejected.
create alias commercial -> ad
From what I can tell, the commercial tag appears to be used for the same purpose as the ad tag, for both ads shown in a scenes and ads themselves, both fictional and non-fictional. Since these two tags are functionally the same, commercial might as well be aliased to ad since that is the more populated tag.
Disagree, while it needs gardening commercials air as TV spots and our tag should be dedicated to examples of this type of advertisement in the art like post #5320625 or real world instances like post #3298941.
Ad is kind of an overly broad tag, but the gist of the wiki is it's for real world advertisements like post #7733995 or parodies of such ads like post #4441491
Both tags have a lot of product placement mistags in them.
The Wiki of ad is prone to making people use it as a catch-all tag, using broad terms such as
Promotional material... commercial product or service...
It might make more sense to have commercial imply ad. As zetsubousensei pointed out, commercials only refer to broadcasted advertisements.
BUR #49968 has been rejected.
create implication commercial -> ad
This sounds like a good alternative.
BUR #49971 has been approved by @evazion.
deprecate ad
mass update ad official_art -parody -promotional_art -> official_ad -ad
mass update ad parody -official_art -> fake_ad -ad
mass update ad promotional_art -> -ad
create implication official_ad -> official_art
After talking with someone about this last night I think ad should just be retired. As shown above I think the intended usage was for "stereotypical ads" but in practice because of the ambiguous name it is pulling in a ton of different concepts.
Promotional art such as post #10132442
Diegetic advertising such as post #9909793
Real ads like post #31527
Parody ads such as post #4441506
Fictional ads like post #306231
And product placement like post #4553507
The easiest way to divide them in my opinion would be to utilize the smaller fake ad tag for the parody and in-universe works and either create an official ad tag or shove them straight in promotional art. The only reason I'm putting if for the former and not the later is stuff like post #47614 or post #5119464. Mostly deleted posts which fit the more traditional definition of ad
The bulk update request #49968 (forum #395783) has been rejected by @tapnek.
zetsubousensei said:
BUR #49971 has been approved by @evazion.
deprecate ad
mass update ad official_art -parody -promotional_art -> official_ad -ad
mass update ad parody -official_art -> fake_ad -ad
mass update ad promotional_art -> -ad
create implication official_ad -> official_art
This sounds better than what I came up with.
These mass updates seem a little too indiscriminate. What about official ads that are also parodies, like post #8031682? This would get tagged as a fake ad after that mass update. Is fake ad supposed to apply to ads within an unrelated parody, like in post #6956249?
Hankpropaniac57 said:
These mass updates seem a little too indiscriminate. What about official ads that are also parodies, like post #8031682? This would get tagged as a fake ad after that mass update. Is fake ad supposed to apply to ads within an unrelated parody, like in post #6956249?
Gosh darnit. You're right I should have included a -official_art to the parody line as well. Have added, it doesn't change the meaning behind the BUR.
As for the second question, my goal was to propose a "ad_(object)" style tag for the diegetic ones if/when this passes since it needed to be manually created anyway. I don't know if I would even call those ads in post #6956249, they are in the original game, but those might just be poster_(object) in that image? There are a few other's though like post #7480686 and post #5087836 that are iffy regardless, I apologize for not thinking that through more.
post #5956437 is in fake ad right now and seems comparable to the JJBA and Frieren post, but my vision was for these to go in a ad_(object) so maybe I'll garden them into a favgroup and make a separate BUR here to clear them out before that one.
Assuming we agree a tag for ads in the scenery of the post is worth having and preferable to ad in it's current state?
The bulk update request #49971 (forum #395807) has been approved by @evazion.
Awesome, I'll populate ad_(object) later tonight if nobody has any objections.
The bulk update request #49937 (forum #395695) has been rejected by @tapnek.
I'm not entirely convinced official ad needs to exist, when we already have promotional art. I get that things like post #9338868 and post #10162527 are definitely more towards the "ad" end, but aside from very off-topic stuff (post #54782), I don't know how you're going to make a distinction. Something like post #9609437 feels more like promotional art than a straight up official ad, but it's definitely an ad too:
ANON_TOKYO said:
I'm not entirely convinced official ad needs to exist, when we already have promotional art. I get that things like post #9338868 and post #10162527 are definitely more towards the "ad" end, but aside from very off-topic stuff (post #54782), I don't know how you're going to make a distinction. Something like post #9609437 feels more like promotional art than a straight up official ad, but it's definitely an ad too:
I said above in my initial BUR that I put in for it because those very off-topic ones seems out of place in promotional art, they were the deciding factor in "this really isn't promo art." The is:active ones are more aligned, but even then there is a difference between a poster advertising a new anime series like you posted and post #4053212 and post #8272449. I'm not opposed to grouping them all together, I just figured the difference was big enough that it would be an undesirable search.
zetsubousensei said:
I said above in my initial BUR that I put in for it because those very off-topic ones seems out of place in promotional art, they were the deciding factor in "this really isn't promo art." The is:active ones are more aligned, but even then there is a difference between a poster advertising a new anime series like you posted and post #4053212 and post #8272449. I'm not opposed to grouping them all together, I just figured the difference was big enough that it would be an undesirable search.
If it's just for off-topic stuff it doesn't need to exist (and definitely can't have a generic name like official ad). Posts like post #4053212 are served, at least adequately, by promotional art, since having much less art than that is veering well into off-topic territory. Even looking at the posts currently, it's just either padding or the post is off-topic.
BUR #50179 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create alias official_ad -> promotional_art
Since this was approved when only a single person gave feedback and there seems to be concerns about it's viability.
Official ad is ideally for images like post #57931, post #1108084, post #5925414, post #2127788, post #4053212 and post #5750834
I am still clearing out ad, if you're at peace with stuff like this being in promo art then let's just alias them. Otherwise I'm going to garden it down to clear recognizable products, tie-in branding, and magazine spreads. I think it's distinct, but I also don't feel super strongly and would have been fine with this outcome as well.
The bulk update request #50179 (forum #396595) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
