vtuber

BUR #61202 is pending approval.

create alias virtual_youtuber -> vtuber

most common name

BUR #61203 has been rejected.

create alias indie_virtual_youtuber -> indie_vtuber

Related tag

Virtual youtuber is perfectly clear, calling it vtuber is just jargon-ifying for the sake of it. The current setup with the utility alias makes more sense.

I don't think either of you realize the amount of churn this would cause to the website. Post versions and the like would be unusable for months if these were approved.

Damian0358 said in forum #445554:

I don't think either of you realize the amount of churn this would cause to the website. Post versions and the like would be unusable for months if these were approved.

post version fixed in great migration

Pialleni said in forum #445555:

post version fixed in great migration

No, they didn't. They still suffer from all the same problems as before. In fact, lately BURs have been failing a lot.

I know Damian knows this, I'm just stating it for others, but this has actually been discussed in the context of site performance. It'd probably have to be run as a background job, with the BUR just being used as a place to vote and discuss.

Pialleni said in forum #445555:

post version fixed in great migration

We have it on record on Discord that nonamethanks had previously considered your BUR back in March;

21/03/2026

i'm going to propose the bur of the century btw
actually uhh
this might be a touhou project moment
actually nvm
i was gonna propose an alias virtual_youtuber -> vtuber
but it's too big
evazion will rip my liver off

If not even an admin felt comfortable with proposing the BUR, why should you?

ANON_TOKYO said in forum #445556:

No, they didn't. They still suffer from all the same problems as before. In fact, lately BURs have been failing a lot.

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I know Damian knows this, I'm just stating it for others, but this has actually been discussed in the context of site performance. It'd probably have to be run as a background job, with the BUR just being used as a place to vote and discuss.

no related

Damian0358 said in forum #445557:

We have it on record on Discord that nonamethanks had previously considered your BUR back in March;

If not even an admin felt comfortable with proposing the BUR, why should you?

i fear no evazion

Pialleni said in forum #445558:

no related

I mean, you literally did (wrongly) claim these issues were fixed.

Don't see the point. The term "virtual youtuber" is very common and well-known, for example r/VirtualYoutubers is a more popular subreddit then r/Vtubers, and we already have a vtuber -> virtual youtuber alias.

ANON_TOKYO said in forum #445559:

I mean, you literally did (wrongly) claim these issues were fixed.

BURs have been failing a lot recently, though I don't really see how that would be related to post versions? Unless them being processed too fast fucks up the table somehow.

VTuber is by and far the more popular term, and while I can understand the concern about "post versions", it always seems like a cop-out to just be like "well post versions prevent us from doing any large change". Why have a site feature that is such a problem then?

I'm voting meh cuz I don't really care either way but the arguments of "well subreddits from 10 years ago use the old terminology" or "blah blah post versions blah blah" seem pretty questionable, at best.

Damian0358 said in forum #445557:

We have it on record on Discord that nonamethanks had previously considered your BUR back in March;

21/03/2026

i'm going to propose the bur of the century btw
actually uhh
this might be a touhou project moment
actually nvm
i was gonna propose an alias virtual_youtuber -> vtuber
but it's too big
evazion will rip my liver off

If not even an admin felt comfortable with proposing the BUR, why should you?

That Discord message is from March 21st, 2026. 8 days later evazion did some maintenance on the servers and updated the PostgreSQL version, and left the following message:

https://discord.com/channels/310432830138089472/310846683376517121/1487978508633505802
3/29/26

well, it's still using sqs, but it's possible to rip it out now
the post versions page should be significantly faster

A few days later, nonamethanks also posted something similar confirming post versions are now faster and that BURs are not delayed anymore:

https://discord.com/channels/310432830138089472/310846683376517121/1489313568825409628
4/2/26

since migration the post versions are super fast. it seems the bottleneck was not sqs, but the two servers being apart
the pokemon rename BUR had basically no delay between moved posts and post versions catching up, despite involving hundreds of thousands of posts

So to me it sounds like these issues were indeed recently fixed, so presumably this VTuber BUR (609K posts) shouldn't cause any issues with post versions. It shouldn't be like the EVTH nuke in 2022 (~900K posts) where versions took a day or two to catch up.

"VTuber" is the much more popular term nowadays, with most sources that use "Virtual YouTuber" being either very old or aimed at an audience of normies that don't even know what an anime is. Even Wikipedia of all places prefers the shortened term, and they often go out of their way to avoid slang terms (e.g. Artificial vagina instead of any of the terms people actually use).

The bulk update request #61203 (forum #445552) has been rejected by @てはいさ.

"Faster" doesn't mean by orders of magnitude, a 600k BUR is still going to clog it up for a while, and there's the problem of the fact that this means creating all those new versions entries.

On my part, I will admit exaggeration when saying it would be "unusable for months", even without the maintenance since, but there would still be some clogging regardless. And if we're invoking Wikipedia, Japanese Wikipedia still uses the whole term.

Well according to that message the Pokémon BURs also involved hundreds of thousands of posts and had no problem, so I can't imagine this being significantly worse.

For the record I still think it's stupid to rename a tag to its shorthand when the full version isn't bad, like in this case.

I've been wondering for a while now, is there a reason why Indie Virtual Youtuber doesn't imply virtual youtuber?

It was decided that cross-category implications like that aren't worth the headache, so they're disallowed by the system.

wavedash said in forum #445575:

I've been wondering for a while now, is there a reason why Indie Virtual Youtuber doesn't imply virtual youtuber?

You can't do cross-category implications, and even if you could, you have stuff like post #4655693 and post #4846334 which don't qualify for the Virtual YouTuber tag.