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To me they have different feelings, something could be damaged but operational, where broken gives the feeling of something no longer functioning.
To me, post #403824 would be broken, while post #356307 would be damage
However, if an alias is the decision, I'd prefer broken -> damage,
Ok, I was trying to go in and sort things along the lines of "battle damage", "broken object", with the partly functioning / non-functioning definition in mind, but some pics are still somewhat ambiguous.
What should we classify post #403399, post #394499, or post #266116 where there is a damaged (but alert) character, but an obviously broken arm / leg. (all were in broken initially).
Shinjidude said: Ok, I was trying to go in and sort things along the lines of "battle damage", "broken object", with the partly functioning / non-functioning definition in mind, but some pics are still somewhat ambiguous.
I could have sworn we actually had a battle_damage tag, but I was likely hallucinating.
What should we classify post #403399, post #394499, or post #266116 where there is a damaged (but alert) character, but an obviously broken arm / leg. (all were in broken initially).
Hmmm, flip a coin? =P To be serious, I'm not sure. That's definitely a couple of ambiguous cases there. I guess since they're machines/dolls it's similar to a toy truck lying on the ground with a wheel broken off (we'd choose broken without a second thought) but these are sentient beings who just happen to be artificially constructed. I mean, I wouldn't tag a gundam as broken if it were locked in a fierce battle and had lost an arm, and that's kinda the same thing (er okay I just contradicted my sentient comment, whatever). These characters are just more passive looking.
I guess I'm leaning to damaged for those images, but I admit it's starting to sound like splitting hairs at this point.
Updated by jxh2154
jxh2154 said:
I could have sworn we actually had a battle_damage tag, but I was likely hallucinating.
It was mass edited to damage. See forum #13658
reese said: It was mass edited to damage. See forum #13658
Ah, makes sense I guess. No need to limit it to a battle after all.
Shinjidude said:
Ok, I was trying to go in and sort things along the lines of "battle damage", "broken object", with the partly functioning / non-functioning definition in mind, but some pics are still somewhat ambiguous.What should we classify post #403399, post #394499, or post #266116 where there is a damaged (but alert) character, but an obviously broken arm / leg. (all were in broken initially).
I'd say those are examples of damage, but definitely a tricky set. Using the method I describe above, anything non-operational would be under broken. A doll would be broken, but they're beings (albeit artificial ones) and are otherwise still functioning.
In the case of bones though I'd argue that a broken limb qualifies as a non-functioning object enough to label them broken.
Something could potentially have both tags as well, in the case where damage was sufficient to render the object broken.
As others have said, it depends on what context you view the damage/brokenness. Those sample pictures are very apt cases; clearly the actual entity itself is still functional, and would be regarded as merely damaged, but the limb is broken.
So I guess it depends on where you draw the distinction - are we tagging it based on the limb, or the character? The limb has ceased functioning and is therefore broken, but the character is still sentient and thus only damaged, albeit without a functioning limb.
There's also having video game damage-in-numbers popping up over someone's head, like in post #485235, which I tagged as damage.
T5J8F8 said: There's also having video game damage-in-numbers popping up over someone's head, like in post #485235, which I tagged as damage.
Hmm, it's a bit of a stretch but I don't see a problem with doing it that way. We don't need to give absolutely everything a unique tag after all. And if someone is "losing HP" then they're taking damage. Of some sort.
Bumping because damage and broken don't have wiki entries yet and I wanted some clarification about these two tags. I'm not exactly sure when something is damaged and when something is broken. I considered making entries for the damage and broken but I was unable to give clear examples for both tags. I'm also unsure to what extent these two tags apply.
For example is armour damaged if it has dents it and broken when missing pieces or does it depend on the situation? Would bikini armor get one of the two tags + torn clothes (e.g. post #649692)? Also, does damage and broken apply to buildings as well?
Collateral damage is another wiki-less tag.
From what we discussed before, I'd say cracked armor is definitely broken, dented armor might be damaged, or it might just be battle worn (dents are just par for the course for normal functioning for armor) so I'm not sure I'd necessarily tag it that way.
Clothing might also be a special case, I'd think torn_clothes is sufficient for most cases. We ought to reserve damage and broken more for tangible objects and entities.
I'd think a building could be broken or damaged in certain cases, especially if that's the focus of the image, but keep ruins in mind, since it's basically a tag that specially means broken buildings / cities.
Shinjidude said:
I'd think a building could be broken or damaged in certain cases, especially if that's the focus of the image, but keep ruins in mind, since it's basically a tag that specially means broken buildings / cities.
If the building is not the focus of the image, would the collateral damage tag be useful? I'm also assuming that collateral damage can be used with either broken or damage.
