At first, when I saw that Studio DEEN was doing F/KL, I was skeptical. But after this episode, I'm sold. Not UFOtable quality, for sure, but pretty damn good. And EMIYA soundtrack just takes the cake.
Question If Heaven's Feel 5 never happened in the Prisma Illya universe, Shirou would never have became Archer. So how did red Archer still somehow ended up being considered as an Eirei?
Given that this is a Nasu-verse related story, I demand a proper answer and not "who cares if it doesn't make sense, it looks cool and that's all there is to it".
If Heaven's Feel 5 never happened in the Prisma Illya universe, Shirou would never have became Archer. So how did red Archer still somehow ended up being considered as an Eirei?
Given that this is a Nasu-verse related story, I demand a proper answer and not "who cares if it doesn't make sense, it looks cool and that's all there is to it".
Remember that this story is based off of the Kaleidosticks, which were established in F/HA that they can cross dimensions and universes. So, what probably happened is that the universe of F/SN is still active, but F/KL is another universe. The cards are a remnant of the Grail system made with the power of the Kaleidosticks, so it's not unfeasible that the "image" of the Archer servant was made from across dimensions, aka the F/SN universe.
Either that or its the future form of Miyu's brother.
Remember that this story is based off of the Kaleidosticks, which were established in F/HA that they can cross dimensions and universes. So, what probably happened is that the universe of F/SN is still active, but F/KL is another universe. The cards are a remnant of the Grail system made with the power of the Kaleidosticks, so it's not unfeasible that the "image" of the Archer servant was made from across dimensions, aka the F/SN universe.
Either that or its the future form of Miyu's brother.
Shiro becoming Archer happens in at least one of the infinite timelines that the Source monitors. Thus his registry into the throne is a forgone conclusion.
Shiro becoming Archer happens in at least one of the infinite timelines that the Source monitors. Thus his registry into the throne is a forgone conclusion.
This. The Throne of Heroes is multiversal in scope as it exists outside of normal time and space. Thus, Counter Guardian EMIYA (and he is a Counter Guardian, not a traditional Heroic Spirit, despite the fact that he can be summoned as a Servant) will always exist regardless of whether or not there are parallel worlds where Emiya Shirou did not become a hero or make his deal with Alaya. It's why Archer's scheme to kill himself in F/SN had such low odds of success (something like "less than a fraction of a single percent" IIRC, though I may be misremembering the exact wording). Even if he ended up in his original timeline in his home dimension and succeeded in creating a time paradox by killing himself, there was no guarantee that it would erase him from the Throne.
This. The Throne of Heroes is multiversal in scope as it exists outside of normal time and space. Thus, Counter Guardian EMIYA (and he is a Counter Guardian, not a traditional Heroic Spirit, despite the fact that he can be summoned as a Servant) will always exist regardless of whether or not there are parallel worlds where Emiya Shirou did not become a hero or make his deal with Alaya. It's why Archer's scheme to kill himself in F/SN had such low odds of success (something like "less than a fraction of a single percent" IIRC, though I may be misremembering the exact wording). Even if he ended up in his original timeline in his home dimension and succeeded in creating a time paradox by killing himself, there was no guarantee that it would erase him from the Throne.
It *CAN'T* He's in the throne, he's allowed to be summoned via the ritual before he was born and in universe he doesn't exist in. The throne holds separate copies of people from the Akasha records. So even if they're somehow removed from the Source, they still exist as a Heroic Spirit. (and his registry into the throne was because of his deal, he made an impossible miracle possible, which is one of the requirements to be classified as a hero.)
He made an impossible miracle possible, which is one of the requirements to be classified as a hero.
Thing is with both Nasu himself and all the spinoff writers, what trait defines an Eirei had became more and more blurred every time a new title came out. Many existing Eireis now did absolutely nothing near what can be called "impossible miracle", heck even some original Eireis in FSN didn't achieve any impossible deeds, take Medea, Hassan and Medusa for example.
Anyone can be considered as an Eirei now if they can accomplish their deed just with their large authoritative power given by birth(Bathory), write some popular stuffs that may or may not even be known today(Shakespeare, Avicebron AND Andersen), failed at being even trying to overthrow someone(Robin Hood), killed 5 prostitutes who can't fight back(Jack the Ripper),or I don't know, be an personification of a poem(Nursery Rhyme)? Anyone can see the things these guys do hardly qualifies as a representation of competency, much less an impossible deed.
The thing about Nasuverse is that "canon" is never solid since even Nasu himself has a great deal of tendency of BS'ing up whatever new mechanics to suit the settings of the newer writings, even if it requires him to bastardize some of his own previously established canons.
Thing is with both Nasu himself and all the spinoff writers, what trait defines an Eirei had became more and more blurred every time a new title came out. Many existing Eireis now did absolutely nothing near what can be called "impossible miracle", heck even some original Eireis in FSN didn't achieve any impossible deeds, take Medea, Hassan and Medusa for example.
Anyone can be considered as an Eirei now if they can accomplish their deed just with their large authoritative power given by birth(Bathory), write some popular stuffs that may or may not even be known today(Shakespeare, Avicebron AND Andersen), failed at being even trying to overthrow someone(Robin Hood), killed 5 prostitutes who can't fight back(Jack the Ripper),or I don't know, be an personification of a poem(Nursery Rhyme)? Anyone can see the things these guys do hardly qualifies as a representation of competency, much less an impossible deed.
The thing about Nasuverse is that "canon" is never solid since even Nasu himself has a great deal of tendency of BS'ing up whatever new mechanics to suit the settings of the newer writings, even if it requires him to bastardize some of his own previously established canons.
None of those examples are any good, the fifth war was tainted which allowed anti and non heroes to be summoned. and Fate/Extra doesn't even use the same rules, nor does Fate/Once was an MMO.
None of those examples are any good, the fifth war was tainted which allowed anti and non heroes to be summoned. and Fate/Extra doesn't even use the same rules, nor does Fate/Once was an MMO.
And that was exactly why I asked whether or not these rules apply to this non-canon spinoff. But since the rules tend to change with every title, it seem anything we came up might as well be just speculations until proven otherwise by canon evidences.
At first, when I saw that Studio DEEN was doing F/KL, I was skeptical. But after this episode, I'm sold. Not UFOtable quality, for sure, but pretty damn good. And EMIYA soundtrack just takes the cake.
