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  • ID: 240604
  • Uploader: Snesso »
  • Date: over 17 years ago
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post #240604
usada hikaru (di gi charat) drawn by saikawa_yusa
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    ds2096
    over 16 years ago
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    I'm...I'm not sure whether this is meant to be a haiku.

    Goshujinsama
    Arisa no XXXX
    Kimochii desuka?

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    10half
    over 16 years ago
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    It's a haiku whether intended or not--tagged!

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    0xCCBA696
    over 16 years ago
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    ... no, it's not.

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    10half
    over 16 years ago
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    I guess not. If the missing word is the two-syllable one I'm thinking of (I learned it from Ebichu), then that wouldn't work. Or are you saying it falls apart somewhere else?

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    ds2096
    over 16 years ago
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    I think if it falls down anywhere it's the last line, since "kimochii" has four syllables. Still, it could simply be that the artist writes sloppy haiku.

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    windward
    over 16 years ago
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    Well, haiku isn't just about the 5-7-5 thing. Wikipedia has details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku

    The weather and kireji requirements are definitely important; I've heard of those outside of online sources. It keeps people from slapping any 17 syllables together and declaring it art, I guess.

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    0xCCBA696
    over 16 years ago
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    Well, "go syu zi n sa ma" is six syllables already. If you mean まんこ, that's three syllables, "ma n ko", which would in fact make seven, but since there are four Xs, I assumed there would be four syllables there, making a total of eight. In the second line "ki mo ti i i de su ka" is EIGHT syllables, not even close to five.

    Try to learn how to pronounce Japanese before talking about haiku, please.

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    10half
    over 16 years ago
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    If you're going to be smarmy, then take responsibility, professor. I'm not new here.

    It sounds like the lesson to be learned is regarding the phonetic block. "goshyujin-sama" is rhythmically five syllables when you pronounce it. "Go-shyu-jin-sa-ma". What I'm hearing from you is that in Japanese syllables are counted by individual kana, not including modifiers; correct? i.e. "ごしゅじんさま" is seven separate sounds, the "しゅ" counting as one syllable and the "じん" counting as two. Is that it?

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    0xCCBA696
    over 16 years ago
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    Correct, and they are pronounced that way too. Japanese is an isochronic language, and so words are broken down into phonological units called "morae", which are defined by timing rather than by phonetic composition. However, morae do follow phonetic composition rules - they are mostly CV (consonant-vowel), though they can also be C (only ん) or V (あ い う え お). The かな table follows this very well, as each entry (either a full size かな or a 拗音 consisting of one full size かな plus a smaller one of やゆよあおえうい) is exactly one mora.

    Something you might want to remember is that when you pronounce Japanese words, each mora must take the same amount of time to be pronounced (canonically, though depending on the situation this can be stretched). The "zin" takes twice the amount of time to say as the "go" in ごしゅじんさま. So no, it's not "rhythmically five". Rhythmically, it's six. You could argue about the distinction between "syllable" and "mora", but "syllables" are generally not used to describe Japanese words in the first place, so I think it's acceptable to conflate them in this case.

    I'm not sure how I'm being "smarmy" or what you want me to "take responsibility" for, but there you have it. By the way, "shyu" is a horrible romanization of しゅ, for your information. ;)

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    10half
    over 16 years ago
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    My mistake. I read "Try to learn how to pronounce Japanese" as a reprimand; I was being thin-skinned. Thanks for the information.

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