Well, at least Yamashiro is into vaccination unlike some parents who I wish they got run-over by a truck. Seriously, centuries of medical researches to help mankind in all way went down the drain thanks to a wonky report and everyone believes in it in one glance.

Adolf95 said:

Well, at least Yamashiro is into vaccination unlike some parents who I wish they got run-over by a truck. Seriously, centuries of medical researches to help mankind in all way went down the drain thanks to a wonky report and everyone believes in it in one glance.

Stupidity is eternal. For every step that mankind will take, we will always take a giant leap back.

The world we live in now, conspiracies are more well believed than actual facts and lies are just alternative facts. No matter how much evidence and scientific proof you try to give, the mentality of "I don't believe it, therefore it is false" will always prevail.

It's best to just give up. There's no point in arguing with such mentality anymore. It's just a waste of time and effort.
Fuck it all, I say.

Adolf95 said:

Well, at least Yamashiro is into vaccination unlike some parents who I wish they got run-over by a truck. Seriously, centuries of medical researches to help mankind in all way went down the drain thanks to a wonky report and everyone believes in it in one glance.

besides when those diseases kill those idiots, the better off we will be.

DeusEx773 said:

besides when those diseases kill those idiots, the better off we will be.

The problem with this approach: we're talking about virus here, a highly mutative organism that may change its membrane protein structure each time they replicates. More people getting the disease could still spell doom for the immunized population because the new mutated strain could out-database our immune system.

Adolf95 said:

Well, at least Yamashiro is into vaccination unlike some parents who I wish they got run-over by a truck. Seriously, centuries of medical researches to help mankind in all way went down the drain thanks to a wonky report and everyone believes in it in one glance.

I'm not sure you should really 'be in' to vaccinating. Vaccinating is just another medical procedure, the fact that certain -ahem- concerned parents don't particularly care if their children are permanently scarred or even killed by a preventable disease really isn't impetus to get excited about a routine medical procedure.

Adolf95 said:

Well, at least Yamashiro is into vaccination unlike some parents who I wish they got run-over by a truck. Seriously, centuries of medical researches to help mankind in all way went down the drain thanks to a wonky report and everyone believes in it in one glance.

Unfortunately that is a big problem with much of research today. There is a lot of media coverage on single sources that are assumed to be comprehensive. It's like all the marijuana lobbies saying cannabis cures cancer, when no one has concluded it to be so.

Obviously vaccination is important, but one thing that bothered me about the situation with Wakefields paper was that the contents really were not all that radical and held enough impartiality to at least be publishable. I've read some pretty shitty research papers before that no one blinks an eye at (because they will be buried in a weeks time by other crappy papers), and while Wakefield made critical errors that have been confirmed, his paper really didn't warrant the backlash it got. He made a finding and gave a suggestion. Of course no one should act on one account, but I find it somewhat shameful that the medical community responded by trying to censor him rather than letting the facts speak for themselves. There could be detrimental effects to vaccines. Current research does not suggest this, but the hypothesis should not be condemned, it should simply be refuted. If the facts change then the hypothesis becomes theory, if not it becomes an obscure direction of hypothetical thought. No knowledge is absolute, especially when we really only just scratched the surface of our own biology the last few decades. Science cannot prove absolutely (aside from a constrained theoretical situation) but suggest, and it is through this suggestion that we act with deliberation. The standard procedures of today may be laughable in a decade, which is why we keep an open mind but only act on facts.

Of course, the news threw him under the bus in order to avoid the blame that their choice to publicize a single paper as breaking news is really what caused all the fear about vaccination. His paper should have just been a blip in research history, rubbed out as soon as peer review refuted his findings. However, it seemed like the community wanted to make an example of him, and I don't think that was right. It almost was like a persecution of Galileo. We should attack the information, not the individual.

DeusEx773 said:

besides when those diseases kill those idiots, the better off we will be.

It's not just those idiots suffering.

Lower vaccination rates reduce herd immunity protection for people who can't get vaccines (due to allergies, or because they don't have a functioning immune system), and simply for those peoplle in which the vaccine hasn't worked.

Rathurue said:

The problem with this approach: we're talking about virus here, a highly mutative organism that may change its membrane protein structure each time they replicates. More people getting the disease could still spell doom for the immunized population because the new mutated strain could out-database our immune system.

Which is why vaccinations should be done yearly to keep your body immunized to the new strains...

DeusEx773 said:

besides when those diseases kill those idiots, the better off we will be.

I have seen some people in 1st world countries who does not vaccinate their children since "GOD" is in their lives, yet gets angry at the doctors for not saving their children... I don't know what's the deal with religious people in 1st world countries though, they seem to be more radical than the open-minded religious people I know living in 3rd world countries

Justsome1passingby said:
I have seen some people in 1st world countries who does not vaccinate their children since "GOD" is in their lives, yet gets angry at the doctors for not saving their children

Yes. Unfortunately, i've witnessed this kinda thing, too. Some 'over religious' parent was making a scene because the hospital can't save their son, revealed to never been vaccinated at all, because they said the vaccine "was made from pig".

Justsome1passingby said:

I don't know what's the deal with religious people in 1st world countries though, they seem to be more radical than the open-minded religious people I know living in 3rd world countries

I don't know if that is the case. In 1st world countries stupid people will slander or sue you, in 3rd world countries stupid people get in a mob and publicly execute you. The reason most 3rd world countries have tighter societies is that they are segregated by ideology and the dissenters are forcibly removed, whereas 1st world countries are a mesh of differing ideas battling each other.

Which is the same reason why I don't like how Wakefield was treated. By attacking him rather than letting the overwhelming evidence against his paper speak for itself, it reflects a 3rd world mindset of eliminating dissenters rather than letting a wrong opinion get buried under facts. The establishment push against Wakefield as a doctor rather than his paper ironically spurred on the vaccination conspiracy theorists and giving them more suggestion to work with.

Justsome1passingby said:

I have seen some people in 1st world countries who does not vaccinate their children since "GOD" is in their lives, yet gets angry at the doctors for not saving their children

Made me think of a story I read in this book written by an American veterinarian quite awhile ago. There was this one family he hated dealing with because they always blamed him for not saving their animals, but they'd only ever contact him when they let the problem get so bad that they were left with no other options. Needless to say by the time he could look at their animal it was already at the point that it was impossible to save, and that just reinforced the family's opinion not to rely on the vet.

Would not be surprised if for a lot of those that avoid getting vaccinations, that a lot of them would go through similar and blame the doctors when their children die from an illness that could be avoided by getting their vaccinations.

Justsome1passingby said:

Which is why vaccinations should be done yearly to keep your body immunized to the new strains...

I have seen some people in 1st world countries who does not vaccinate their children since "GOD" is in their lives, yet gets angry at the doctors for not saving their children... I don't know what's the deal with religious people in 1st world countries though, they seem to be more radical than the open-minded religious people I know living in 3rd world countries

Those are people who let's just say are too naive about their own religion.There's no religion that says vaccination is harmful or sinful.
Here in my country, we deal with with anti-vaxxers who use religion as an excuse by sending a MoH official and an official from the local religious council to convince them. So far as the news concerned it worked.

Adolf95 said:

Those are people who let's just say are too naive about their own religion.There's no religion that says vaccination is harmful or sinful.
Here in my country, we deal with with anti-vaxxers who use religion as an excuse by sending a MoH official and an official from the local religious council to convince them. So far as the news concerned it worked.

Either way... its quite sad seeing lives of children being lost due to naivety and stupidity of the parents.... evolutionary wise... it's good since they are removing themselves from the gene pool by their stupidity, the prize though is quite steep

Mamashiro holding Shigure like that during a shot reminds me of that cute scene of a kid trying to be brave and the mum saying to the poor kiddo to not look at the needle.

Many wry smiles were had.