If it's Momiji, she could hit something dead on two mountains away with that.

Also, is that stance with the DSR-1 possible?

ezekill said:
Also, is that stance with the DSR-1 possible?

Since she's a tengu: yes. For a humand on the other hand, dunno

ezekill said:

If it's Momiji, she could hit something dead on two mountains away with that.

Also, is that stance with the DSR-1 possible?

She can SEE that far, but the problem is the very limitation of the DSR-1 itself; will the shot be swayed away from the target, how far will that sway be, and could Momiji compensate for that? Also, even if the shell did hit the target dead center, will it still have enough kinetic energy to do its job?

mikoyan said:

She can SEE that far, but the problem is the very limitation of the DSR-1 itself; will the shot be swayed away from the target, how far will that sway be, and could Momiji compensate for that? Also, even if the shell did hit the target dead center, will it still have enough kinetic energy to do its job?

The range limitation itself is dependent on the caliber used, wind direction, and the type of shell. The shell never hits the target, the bullet does. Physics shows that the bullet would still have the same kinetic force when it leaves the barrel if the target is hit. The only way that a bullet would not kill when the target is hit is when the bullet is shot a 90 degree angle. Also that pose can be possible but does not allow for bracing.

mikoyan said:

She can SEE that far, but the problem is the very limitation of the DSR-1 itself; will the shot be swayed away from the target, how far will that sway be, and could Momiji compensate for that? Also, even if the shell did hit the target dead center, will it still have enough kinetic energy to do its job?

Stance has little to do with mechanical accuracy. Stance primarily affects strain of muscle (which can affect how steady you are, then again this is Momiji here) and recoil control. Follow through is a psychological act so you dont flinch and move the POA before the bullet leaves the barrel, but in all cases, the bullet leaves the barrel well before you feel the recoil.

Diabolicwave said:

The range limitation itself is dependent on the caliber used, wind direction, and the type of shell. The shell never hits the target, the bullet does. Physics shows that the bullet would still have the same kinetic force when it leaves the barrel if the target is hit. The only way that a bullet would not kill when the target is hit is when the bullet is shot a 90 degree angle. Also that pose can be possible but does not allow for bracing.

Not trying to start a definition war, just information, shells are for shotguns. "Casings" or "brass" are for rifle and pistol cartridges. "Caliber" is the type of cartridge.
I assume by a bullet hitting 90 degrees you are implying tumbling? If so, the bullet still will have enough energy to kill due to its mass. If you are talking about trajectory, a bullet does not necessarily have the tip pointed in the direction of its path. The tip (with the exception of tumbling) always stays parallel with its point of incidence, so while it may drop 3 yards in 25 yards of travel, the tip is not pointed down, it is still pointed perpendicular to the target.
Google shows the DSR-1 is chambered in .308 win and 50BMG? Normally scope MOA adjustments are the actual limitations of a firearm. The drop is usually so much that the POI cannot be adjusted into the scopes field of view. However if you notice Momiji's high scope mount, which likely has a very slight tilt to allow a better FOV, we can assume this is not a concern. As for two mountains away, that depends on how far the mountains are in Genesokyo. .308 drops FAST. If your target isn't around 800yards good luck getting a first round hit. 800 yards is what people normally shoot at with that. 50BMG is better, some people regularly shoot out to 2,000 or something like that (there is a 50BMG competition forum with better information on that).
Then again Momiji can probably summon up some physics defying tengu power or spellcard to handle the ballistics. (That would be cool, a spell card activated ballistic computer).

79248cm/s said:

Stance has little to do with mechanical accuracy. Stance primarily affects strain of muscle (which can affect how steady you are, then again this is Momiji here) and recoil control. Follow through is a psychological act so you dont flinch and move the POA before the bullet leaves the barrel, but in all cases, the bullet leaves the barrel well before you feel the recoil.

Not trying to start a definition war, just information, shells are for shotguns. "Casings" or "brass" are for rifle and pistol cartridges. "Caliber" is the type of cartridge.
I assume by a bullet hitting 90 degrees you are implying tumbling? If so, the bullet still will have enough energy to kill due to its mass. If you are talking about trajectory, a bullet does not necessarily have the tip pointed in the direction of its path. The tip (with the exception of tumbling) always stays parallel with its point of incidence, so while it may drop 3 yards in 25 yards of travel, the tip is not pointed down, it is still pointed perpendicular to the target.
Google shows the DSR-1 is chambered in .308 win and 50BMG? Normally scope MOA adjustments are the actual limitations of a firearm. The drop is usually so much that the POI cannot be adjusted into the scopes field of view. However if you notice Momiji's high scope mount, which likely has a very slight tilt to allow a better FOV, we can assume this is not a concern. As for two mountains away, that depends on how far the mountains are in Genesokyo. .308 drops FAST. If your target isn't around 800yards good luck getting a first round hit. 800 yards is what people normally shoot at with that. 50BMG is better, some people regularly shoot out to 2,000 or something like that (there is a 50BMG competition forum with better information on that).
Then again Momiji can probably summon up some physics defying tengu power or spellcard to handle the ballistics. (That would be cool, a spell card activated ballistic computer).

Momiji + ERMAGHERD ACCURATE ballistics computer = hell, she could probably make the .50 BMG say hello twice the range it was confirmed to be still deadly (I think 2.5 Km)

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Oh no.

79248cm/s said:

Not trying to start a definition war, just information ...

Sir, you're talking to someone who apparently doesn't believe the M14 is either a self-loading weapon or chambered in .308 / 7.62 NATO.

At any rate, people take .308 further than 800 yards, but it's not a regular thing; I'm not too confident about what comp work is like with it, but I vaguely remember that your typical boattailed 150s/155s - Intl Fullbore rules require that max bullet weight is about 155, too, although that's not a factor here - will go subsonic around that point, and attempting to go 1000 yards (yes people do this) with the caliber without something sufficiently low BC and with good post-subsonic stability - 175 SMK, I suppose - plus sufficient m/v (good luck) will result in poor results. It may not be the best caliber, but people do work with it, and work quite well.

No substitute for "downgrading", though, if you know what I mean. :)

And no, Diabolicwave, you can't shoot 14 miles with an M14.

As far as .50 BMG goes, .338 wrecks it - with the right choices in load, of course. Two words: LRBT J40. Suddenly you've got a rifle of maybe half the weight and that is nowhere near as much of an fuckhuge absolute cannon and as horribly blasty as a .50 with similar, if not superior external ballistics performance to .50. Way less expensive as far as a lot of the components go and a lot more powder efficient. You can run these out to 1500 comfortably - 2000 is definitely "out there", even for .50 - I think even the Hornady A-Max is subsonic by that distance, but nobody's stopping you from end-running your bank account for a .50 long range build and components. No, buying a DSR does not "cut it". Or any other production rifle that happens to be featured in whatever video game, or is popularly drawn by Japanese artists, for that matter. A custom build might actually be cheaper, anyway; competition .338s regularly fart in Accuracy Intl rifles' direction in both cost and accuracy.

But I'm actively wincing at the idea of how expensive 0.510" monos are. Haven't actually checked, but if the prices for LRBTs are any indication bullets for the .50 is gonna hit you.

There's a good "in-between", though, and by that I mean "comedically superior" - .375 CT. Right loadings, of course.

2000 yards? What's that?

I swear if anyone starts talking about the SHAYTEK INTARVENTSHEN though.

ezekill said:

twice the range it was confirmed to be still deadly (I think 2.5 Km)

I hope you aren't implying .50 past that range suddenly stops being nominally lethal.

GAU-8/A said:

I hope you aren't implying .50 past that range suddenly stops being nominally lethal.

lol sorry. What I mean for the deadly part for the .50 is that it could still slug you accurately without the bullet dropping way past that IMO.

ezekill said:

accurately without the bullet dropping way past that

Naming two different issues here. First is solvable by loading your own (factory ammunition for true precision work, especially at extended ranges? not in this town) and a built rifle, second is solvable with... a lot of things (and ideally used at the same time) Big-assed long VLDs/solids, optic mounts (and rail!) with a lot of down-angle - probably need more than 40 minutes plus total? does anyone even do that? - quality optic with a lot of elevation adjustment (although with good knowledge of your load, and conditions you can probably make fair shots literally out of the optic (but this is just not a regular thing even for people who have done this)).

It's doable, but as far as I can tell if you're shooting A-Max it's still going to land out of FOV at that distance unless you have a LOT of down-angle cumulative in your optic mount and base.

Also more than 5 second flight times. No joke.

"Range" is dependent on a lot of things. "The range of a .50" is probably better defined as "the potential of a .50"; you can do a lot with the cartridge. Massive powder column behind those bullets. That in a good accurate build with a great barrel (lots of good barrel makers out there, but expect to pay), good actions, stocks, bedding, good optic (importance of optic cannot be understated), a good loader and quality components?

Way better than factory ammo out of a Barrett M82.

Danbooru. Come for the Touhou, stay for gun discussion. Never change, guys. Never change.

That being said, Momiji needs to craft her own ghillie suit if she wants to remain stealthy.