BUR #24818 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
deprecate implied_halo
This tag keeps getting created and it's not a real thing. A halo is either there or it isn't, it can't be implied.
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BUR #24818 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
deprecate implied_halo
This tag keeps getting created and it's not a real thing. A halo is either there or it isn't, it can't be implied.
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viliml said:
As far as I can tell it seems only one user has ever used it.
Yes and it has been deleted manually before and made again. This is to prevent that from happening. Halo or backlighting would be every possible case where this tag could be used.
zetsubousensei said:
Yes and it has been deleted manually before and made again.
Wait, tags can be deleted?
I heard otherwise at forum #274771
viliml said:
Wait, tags can be deleted?
I heard otherwise at forum #274771
kittey overcomplicated his answer; empty tags are functionally 'deleted' tags, in the same way status:deleted posts are 'deleted'.
The bulk update request #24818 (forum #274911) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
I really should have made a wiki for this.
I don't know how else we would tag the symbolism of a character framed to look like they have a halo without anything supernatural going on, such as standing in front of the sun/moon post #6931153, indirect_halo? light_halo? (referring to lighting, not "severity"), environmental halo? "Indirect" sounds like "indirect kiss", "implied" seemed like a better term. Most halo posts are linked to blue archive or honkai. The suggested halo behind head still leads to mostly "concrete" halos post #7411545, even when filtered for symbolism post #6977356. The plan was to have a tag for that alongside devil horns. Like the horror movie trope of the killer standing in front of a taxidermied animal making them look like they have horns. "Backlighting" doesn't work either as it refers to the lighting in general and backlighting halo just has a bunch of blue archive or other characters with concrete halos alongside backlighting post #6140485.
We also don't have a tag for sun_behind_head, moon_behind_head or even light-source_behind_head (the latter of which would definitely overlap too much with backlighting). Also pinging @zetsubousensei who seemed to be the biggest opponent of this.
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War6t2 said:
I really should have made a wiki for this.
I don't know what else we would tag the symbolism of a character framed to look like they have a halo without anything supernatural going on. Such as standing in front of the sun/moon post #6931153, indirect_halo? light_halo? (referring to lighting, not "severity"), environmental halo?
Backlighting, symbolism, ect. I wouldn't tag that Byakuren halo at all though just backlighting she has a holy demeanor but there isnt a halo. By the way the tag your looking for with horns is forced perspective
Yes I'm the biggest opponent I still find it frustrating that according to records this was the third nuke of the concept and one time was done by an admin. Populating a tag you just made is great and helpful. Continuing to tag something deleted thrice is frustrating and you should open a forum if youre trying to make something controversial.
zetsubousensei said:
Backlighting, symbolism, ect. I wouldn't tag that Byakuren halo at all though just backlighting she has a holy demeanor but there isnt a halo. By the way the tag your looking for with horns is forced perspective
Yes I'm the biggest opponent I still find it frustrating that according to records this was the third nuke of the concept and one time was done by an admin. Populating a tag you just made is great and helpful. Continuing to tag something deleted thrice is frustrating and you should open a forum if youre trying to make something controversial.
For the record I didn't intentionally keep redoing an unwanted nuked tag. I only added it to new uploads (rather than garden it) and since it was so small I guess I either thought it was just someone altering the set of parent/child posts in was initially used on or removing it because it had so few posts they thought it was just a one use tag that would never be populated, or I must have just not seen the "new tag created". Creating a forum post to suggest something controversial is exactly what I'm doing now upon discovering it was controversial.
It also may or may not be worth mentioning that at the time this was happening I was down with a fever and barely opened danbooru, let alone the discord.
War6t2 said:
For the record I didn't intentionally keep redoing an unwanted nuked tag. I only added it to new uploads (rather than garden it) and since it was so small I guess I either thought it was just someone altering the set of parent/child posts in was initially used on or removing it because it had so few posts they thought it was just a one use tag, or I must have just not seen the "new tag created". Creating a forum post to suggest something controversial is exactly what I'm doing now upon discovering it was controversial.
My feeling is still the same, all cases of it are Backlighting, halo, or symbolism
I dont think it should be a tag, but perhaps a pool?
zetsubousensei said:
My feeling is still the same, all cases of it are Backlighting, halo, or symbolism
I dont think it should be a tag, but perhaps a pool?
Backlighting and the other alternatives wouldn't work for the reasons mentioned above. Yes they are examples of those, but they are almost impossible to search for due to all the other correctly tagged things under that tag.
As for a pool it very much falls into "tag masquerading as a pool" category as someone once put it. At least if it was only for this instead of collecting all of these forced perspective things into one.
War6t2 said:
As for a pool it very much falls into "tag masquerading as a pool" category as someone once put it. At least if it was only for this instead of collecting all of these forced perspective things into one.
No it doesnt if you are trying to collect sun and moon behind head, nondescript lights, post #7117697, and any random glow you feel like then its not a tag.
I'll also be frank that your definition of 'implied halo' would not have registered from me. If you had told me a post had an implied halo, I would've assumed something like light shining from above someone's head but whatever the light source is obscured in the art and it is clear it isn't coming from anywhere except above the subject's head (akin to how implied extra ears functions in dealing with the oddity of regular headphones on characters with animal ears, since that's how most implied tags work - something implied to be there that we can't see, rather than something being portrayed in a symbolic fashion).
zetsubousensei said:
No it doesnt if you are trying to collect sun and moon behind head, nondescript lights, post #7117697, and any random glow you feel like then its not a tag.
The fact that it can happen in multiple different ways (and therefore is pretty hard to search for) is why it should be a tag IMO. It is also far too niche to have a pool of it's own. As for what you mentioned about forced perspective the wiki mentions that as being about the size of objects and the posts are near exclusively characters intentionally invoking it to take a photo post #4765059 post #4950035 post #7268812 So I don't think it would work.
Damian0358 said:
I'll also be frank that your definition of 'implied halo' would not have registered from me. If you had told me a post had an implied halo, I would've assumed something like light shining from above someone's head but whatever the light source is obscured in the art and it is clear it isn't coming from anywhere except above the subject's head (akin to how implied extra ears functions in dealing with the oddity of regular headphones on characters with animal ears, since that's how most implied tags work - something implied to be there that we can't see, rather than something being portrayed in a symbolic fashion).
Well I don't care too much about the name, do you have any other suggestions?
War6t2 said:
Well I don't care too much about the name, do you have any other suggestions?
If you pointed a gun to my head and told me to think of a name, I'd go with either symbolic_halo, allusive_halo or figurative_halo, though none of these would apply to the posts you had initially tagged the tag with.
Damian0358 said:
If you pointed a gun to my head and told me to think of a name, I'd go with either
symbolic_halo,allusive_haloorfigurative_halo, though none of these would apply to the posts you had initially tagged the tag with.
Oh I ddidn't mean to corner you. My bad.
Yeah that's the issue, I can DEFINETLY see the reason for zetsubousensei's initial confusion above without the wiki but I also don't really know what else to call it. It also wouldn't suprise me if there was some artistic term for this with halos but not horns and having one have an artestic term for a name but not the other would sound strange like the futa vs newhalf issue (how'd I end up having to mention the futa tag and religious art history terms in the same sentence...).
Small update. It seems that the halo tags were already discussed forum #273637 with one user claiming "blue archive ruined this tag". Aureole is the term for the "holy glow" around someone, but that might work for this and sounds too much like areolas for tagging. I tried to search for a word for hinting at something without portraying it directly. Almost like negative space. Insinuated halo?, implicit halo? unconcrete halo? Symbolic halo/wings/horns etc might work but it could be confused with a "concrete" halo used for symbolic purposes.
Tv tropes has names for this. Most of which they refer to as a "framing" trick in the text:
Personally I would be fine with background/frame halo/horns/etc but it doesn't work with the framed hair horns. Neither would "background" for times when the halo is caused by something in the background. halo_(effect), horn_(effect) etc might work but "halo effect is a real psychological term. Maybe illusionary halo? Halo_(illusion) perhaps.
For now we lets collect the blue achieve/honkai/etc halos together per comments above for easier filtering. I looked for an adjective that has to do with both being unusual or modern and ornate. For now "unusual halo" could work as this is how tv tropes describes blue archive too.
War6t2 said:
Small update. It seems that the halo tags were already discussed forum #273637 with one user claiming "blue archive ruined this tag". Aureole is the term for the "holy glow" around someone, but that might work for this and sounds too much like areolas for tagging. I tried to search for a word for hinting at something without portraying it directly. Almost like negative space. Insinuated halo?, implicit halo? unconcrete halo? Symbolic halo/wings/horns etc might work but it could be confused with a "concrete" halo used for symbolic purposes.
Tv tropes has names for this. Most of which they refer to as a "framing" trick in the text:
Personally I would be fine with background/frame halo/horns/etc but it doesn't work with the framed hair horns. Neither would "background" for times when the halo is caused by something in the background. halo_(effect), horn_(effect) etc might work but "halo effect is a real psychological term. Maybe illusionary halo? Halo_(illusion) perhaps.
For now we lets collect the blue achieve/honkai/etc halos together per comments above for easier filtering. I looked for an adjective that has to do with both being unusual or modern and ornate. For now "unusual halo" could work as this is how tv tropes describes blue archive too.
I see no new developments in this. Would people be okay with either; illusionary hale, alluded halo, or simply "looks like halo"? @zetsubousensei and to get some admin opinion @Unbreakable
War6t2 said:
I see no new developments in this. Would people be okay with either; illusionary hale, alluded halo, or simply "looks like halo"? @zetsubousensei and to get some admin opinion @Unbreakable
I still maintain you are trying to cram several ideas into one tag and it would be better served as a pool.
No it doesnt if you are trying to collect sun and moon behind head, nondescript lights, post #7117697, and any random glow you feel like then its not a tag.
Several different things that kinda might call to mind a halo is not a good clear idea for a tag. I'm a broken record but symbolism + halo is still what I stand with.
BUR #25275 has been rejected.
mass update spiked_halo (blue_archive or guilty_gear or arknights) -> nontraditional_halo
mass update mechanical_halo blue_archive -> nontraditional_halo
create implication rectangular_halo -> nontraditional_halo
create implication triangle_halo -> nontraditional_halo
create implication cruciform_halo -> nontraditional_halo
create implication winged_halo -> nontraditional_halo
mass update gear_halo -> nontraditional_halo
create implication star_halo -> nontraditional_halo
Collecting all "animefied" halos.
I know fuck all about these franchises so open to any suggestions to better filter this. I tried checking the most used *_halo tags but they are just reffering to color so copyright will have to do.
As with the rest of this thread I really wasn't sure what adjective to use. Wasn't sure whether to use "detailed" as it is a good description but might be confused with a lot of detail applied to drawing a ring. Unusual or alternative might be confused with what what is not normal for the character. Otherwise it would be something like ornate, complex, intricate, etc which imo sounded too positive rather than a neutral tag.
Some other possible names:
non_traditional_halo
intricate_halo
complex halo
ornate_halo
weird_halo
unusual_halo
patterned_halo
anime_style_halo
Open to any suggestions.
Edit: What is the overlap between mechanical halo and fake halo when the tags are used correctly? I can't quite tell if an artificial halo could be both or if the tag is only floating mechanical halos which are considered "real". When filtering out blue archive there is only 11 pages of mechanical halo posts so the "nontraditional halo" tag could be added manually, and the posts if the two tags are mutually exclusive, cleaned up.
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