Moderation changes

A few suggestions on the comment moderation, if I may?

• At the very least clean up anonymous posts. I'd say those are pretty useless since it is now required to make an account before commenting. Unless, of course, the comment is tied with the poster's IP and evidence for repeat offenders can be found through that, though I find that kinda unlikely, since they're pretty damn old.

• Having the entire list display on a single page kinda makes it feel more daunting than it really is(?). Maybe split it up into pages like... well, pretty everything else on danbooru. About 20 comments per page sounds fine and it'll make it easier to reach the buttons at the bottom.

• Maybe add a search bar to more easily find users.

• Lastly, an archive of some sort separate from the moderation page. That way, we'll still have the evidence and be able to keep the actual mod page clean, as well as the image posts. Probably something like a Comment History page for each image post?

Excuse me if I should have taken this to a new thread.

So what's the status? Contributors have access to the moderation queue and can approve uploads or has that been reset?

No more access to the actual queue, but posts can be approved by using the header bar on the post page.

Ars said:
Lastly, an archive of some sort separate from the moderation page. That way, we'll still have the evidence and be able to keep the actual mod page clean, as well as the image posts.

I like this idea. A lot.

Shinjidude said:
Destroying evidence is bad I suppose, but it's unfortunate we can't keep the comments clean. They would be much more useful without crud in them.

I'm going away this weekend, but after that I might have a few moments to compose a proposal for the comments.

If someone wants to look at how bad the comment moderation page is right now, feel free, but I wouldn't touch it right now. It should serve as an example.

Ars said:
A few suggestions on the comment moderation, if I may?

Maybe just dump your suggestions into trac #1091

I noticed I still have the Invite option under Moderator Tools when I go to My Account, though I get an "access denied" message when clicking on it. Wouldn't it be better to simply hide it from us again if we can't use it anyway?

Better now, but still needs tweaking. albert's right that there is a good amount of overlap between the janitors and contributors. The difference is that I trust the majority of the former since they seem to have been thoroughly vetted and vouched for. I don't trust many of the contributors, especially since it seemed a decent amount of the unapprovals in the queue were from them. I didn't trust myself to do something that I might regret later, so while the queue was available to us, I only used the "hide all" button.

I've been a moderator at moe.imouto for six months, and the experience has become a lot smoother lately because I've gotten to know them and therefore learned to trust them. Suddenly dropping broad powers on 250+ people that I don't know, with almost no instruction manual was like an accident waiting to happen.

The posts in the queue are the status:pending ones, yes?

Are there always around 20 pages of these, or is it because of this change?

If anything there is likely less now than there was, since there are more people approving now. To most mods that have gone through the queue each day or so though, it seems shorter than that since almost all the old unapproved posts will be hidden.

Error: You can not moderate posts.

So, a mod thought I didn't do a good job and took away my privileges specifically?

Aurelia said:
The difference is that I trust the majority of the former [janitors] they have been thoroughly vetted and vouched for.

This isn't necessarily true. A lot of janitors were chosen simply by filling out a quiz. Many are lurkers who never post anything, so we really know very little about them. There are many contributors in this thread whom I'd trust as least as much as some of the janitors/mods we have.

On another topic, for this to work we're going to need clearer policies on what is acceptable content. Are photoshops okay? Hard translations? Photos? Screencaps? Hentai gifs? What exactly is considered on-topic, and what is off-topic?

abcadeff said:
Error: You can not moderate posts.

I'm taking a wild guess that it may be related to having a negative record (reason not important here). If it's not the case that you've actually been singled out by someone, it may be an automatic process related to the system effects of a neg.

Edit:

evazion said:
Are photoshops okay? Hard translations? Photos? Screencaps? Hentai gifs?

I don't like any of these.

evazion said:
Are photoshops okay? Hard translations? Photos? Screencaps? Hentai gifs? What exactly is considered on-topic, and what is off-topic?

You've been a member for nearly two years and you're asking this? Really?

Try reading the TOS, it has the answers you seek.

Way to miss the point of his post guys.

According to the TOS, all of those are acceptable depending on their content or are not mentioned, so if that's what you were getting at Seem, you're absolutely right.

According to precedence as well, all of those have been approved in the recent past and many remain on the site, but most people would claim to be opposed to their approval. I'd say I'd only approve something in one of those categories if it was in some way outstanding, which is not true 99% of the time.

Seem said:
You've been a member for nearly two years and you're asking this? Really?

Try reading the TOS, it has the answers you seek.

Uhh, I'm pretty sure he was asking those questions in a theoretical manner - as if someone else was asking them. I don't think he was actually asking anyone those questions.

In any case, I'd kinda have to agree with with evazion. While anything you upload should be based on common sense and whether it's good content, it'd be nice to have a more-defined general policy of what would be considered good content and bad content on the site.

Often is the case, when a person first discovers Danbooru (and hopefully read the ToS), all they know is that Danbooru is an anime image board, and not much about its content quality guidelines. Getting a true idea (again, I'll stress that it still comes down to your common sense) of what is acceptable content on Danbooru may not be completely clear. It usually takes a great deal of lurking (and possibly, a few deleted uploads. Don't hit me for saying that last sentence) before one can get a clear, definite idea of what Danbooru's all about.

That was just an example, though. All I'm saying is that some form of a more definite policy would probably be beneficial to Danbooru, since people would be able to more-easily learn what is good & acceptable content on Danbooru, without necessarily having to make mistakes first. This applies to both new members (who probably shouldn't really be uploading just yet anyway), and others looking to get a clearer picture of Danbooru's content policies.

abcadeff said: Error: You can not moderate posts.
So, a mod thought I didn't do a good job and took away my privileges specifically?

Wasn't me but... ::looks:: I have to agree with whoever did it. At least one of those was unapproved (the scary looking Komachi one) and most of the others were borderline. As for the three deleted ones... honestly, please take a second look at those.

I recommend liberal use of the Can/Can't Approve toggle by mods if this policy is going to stay in place.

Bapabooiee said:
It usually takes a great deal of lurking (and possibly, a few deleted uploads. Don't hit me for saying that last sentence) before one can get a clear, definite idea of what Danbooru's all about.

Why would anyone hit you for saying that? It's true. Even after you've lurked and had some posts deleted, you still can't be sure of what will be approved and what will not, especially in borderline cases. Art is subjective, bias exists, and standards fluctuate. It's just how things are.

Btw can contributors also approve unapproved posts?

Lalaca said:
Edit:
I don't like any of these.

I don't either. That's my point. We don't have any actual rules about these, at best we have a vague understanding.

I'm bringing this up because I saw several of these types of things approved in the recent approvals page. I wanted to unapprove them, but there's no point when we have no official guidelines and someone else will just reapprove them anyway.