"Can the obvious countermeasures built into the website to mitigate slop posting be removed for me because I am special"
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Ylimegirl said:
Not gonna lie, a lot of this thread feels like Siegfried expecting special treatment for the artwork they upload (as in, expecting approvers to change their quality standards) rather than recognizing the pattern behind what gets approved and what doesn't and curating their uploads accordingly. That this thread was made in close proximity to uploading post #9195777 doesn't give me much hope for any sort of changes going forward, especially since all their responses to feedback in this thread has basically just been doubling down or missing the point.
Yep, that sums up the point of this thread. Not gonna lie, I'm lowkey kinda insulted by the notion that one deserves special treatment when the system is clearly working as intended. Sure, I'm prone to uploading mediocre posts that are only there for archival purposes, but raising the quality bar was not only my gate to actually improving as an uploader, but also I find uploading much more fun actively looking for good art. Also, "looking for good art" is why I know useless skills like "how to bypass the right-click-save restrictions on obscure Chinese art sites", among other things (and the world will never know peace if I can add "ripping game assets" to my roster of skills as opposed to just tripping into file caches where the work is already done for me lol). Like, it's not that hard to find good art, whether your fandom of choice is large or small. I still can find unupped good Hatsune Miku art...When actively looking for Kaname Madoka. Not to mention, while I'm not sure how one would define my career as a Danbooru uploader, "populating small copytags to the four digits" is certainly part of it, as there's simply a lot out there you can't expect other people to upload for you. Is there no sense of satisfaction in doing exactly that? Or managing to find the first-party source to a third-party source?
I just don't understand the mindset here, nor do I really care to honestly. But in order to turn this thread into something productive, I suppose I will chip in with my own observations over the past couple years too. Less for the sake of this user, but more for the sake of any members wanting to contribute who found this thread (or are currently lurking here, I don't fucking know).
*Official art and game cgs, as Ylimegirl mentioned, never hurt to upload, especially if you can get your hands on the proper files. I like finding obscure merchandise personally, but being the person responsible for most a tag's game cgs ain't a bad gig either. Especially if the game is obscure. Also, Upload Bounty Thread never hurts to check if you don't got a clue where to start. That thread started long after I got my feet off the ground as an uploader (so I never needed to turn to it before), but it's a great resource for getting started if you find something you like. Then, go from there and fall down a billion rabbit holes.
Smaller fandoms have the inverse set-up. On the one hand, chances are good you will be the only active uploader at any one time for a smaller copytag, which means the chances of getting sniped are much slimmer than in larger fandoms, which takes some of the pressure off. You are also essentially free to curate the tag to your own taste (so it better be good!), and can essentially trip into treasure troves of art wherever you look depending on the fandom. However, the cost of this is a slimmer pool of approvers willing to give your upload a shot simply out of recognizability's sake, which means you actively have to try harder compared to the larger fandoms quality wise. I do feel like this has improved quite a bit since I started uploading a couple years back, but it's still a pretty persistent thing you'll need to watch out for. And heaven help you if you're trying to upload porn...
As someone who has dabbled in both, I don't think either is necessarily better than the other. I personally prefer the latter set-up due to what I naturally gravitate towards as an uploader, but I'll upload pretty much anything I think looks nice too. Just play to what you want to upload. Also, don't forget about the originals!
Okay, that's all I got for now. But I hope this is hopeful to someone out there. Probably not the user who made this thread, but at least to some lurking member or whatever. Like I said, this is just my own personal experience in the past two years I've wrangled with the queue and observed what tends to and tends to not make it through of my 40k+ uploads. Others' experience may be different compared to mine, but I imagine there are some similarities between my experience and theirs. Basically, aim for posts more like post #9198743, post #9122369, or post #9145805 as examples. As opposed to post #9140223, post #9114844, or post #9072501.
Updated by Knowledge Seeker
Witch-Hunter-Siegfried said:
Citadel isn't that popular (A good chunk of the of it's fan art here was uploaded by me to begin with lol), so no one's ripped the assets is the problem lol
upload official art for other copyrights
also if you upload art that's likely to be approved within minutes/hours of upload, that will feel like you have more slots than when you upload stuff that takes 3 days
Ylimegirl said:
I think the fingers are just based on older Takeuchi jank. Looks like it was traced from one of Sakura's tachi-e. Flowers are sus tho.
Not gonna lie, a lot of this thread feels like Siegfried expecting special treatment for the artwork they upload (as in, expecting approvers to change their quality standards) rather than recognizing the pattern behind what gets approved and what doesn't and curating their uploads accordingly. That this thread was made in close proximity to uploading post #9195777 doesn't give me much hope for any sort of changes going forward, especially since all their responses to feedback in this thread has basically just been doubling down or missing the point.
That’s accurate Sprite art of the PC-98 Touhou games lmao, asides was uploading it to put on her on here wiki-page
Witch-Hunter-Siegfried said:
That’s accurate Sprite art of the PC-98 Touhou games lmao, asides was uploading it to put on her on here wiki-page
You can just embed the media asset instead of making it a post for wiki purposes. In the upload menu, there's a link at the bottom that shows the image's file size, source icon, and extension. If you click this you'll be taken to the media asset page for that image. You can copy the ID after /media_asset/ in the url to use it.
(Nice job exactly proving my point on your "missing the point" behavior in this thread.)
If it was official art, maybe it would slide. But it doesn't seem to be official art based on the artist tag and zun (style) tag. Keep in mind official art from older visual novels/games aren't necessarily inherently up to snuff for danbooru standards. I love Ryuukishi07 to death but his art is jank as hell and I wouldn't be uploading most of his tachi-e to Danbooru. There's a reason the re-releases of the when they cry series usually include tachi-e done by other artists.
Ylimegirl said:
(Nice job exactly proving my point on your "missing the point" behavior in this thread.)
If it was official art, maybe it would slide. But it doesn't seem to be official art based on the artist tag and zun (style) tag. Keep in mind official art from older visual novels/games aren't necessarily inherently up to snuff for danbooru standards. I love Ryuukishi07 to death but his art is jank as hell and I wouldn't be uploading most of his tachi-e to Danbooru. There's a reason the re-releases of the when they cry series usually include tachi-e done by other artists.
Like I said, I mainly uploaded it to put on her wiki-page I made, IK you can link art without uploading it but that’s beyond me, it’s why I didn’t do it for Shinki and the rest and just used art that was already here.
Witch-Hunter-Siegfried said:
Like I said, I mainly uploaded it to put on her wiki-page I made, IK you can link art without uploading it but that’s beyond me, it’s why I didn’t do it for Shinki and the rest and just used art that was already here.
It was just explained to you in forum #348837, and I could've sworn someone else explained the same concept earlier in a different forum thread to you a while ago. If you still can't figure it out beyond that, maybe someone can make you a youtube video tutorial using unregistered hypercam 2.
Ylimegirl said:
It was just explained to you in forum #348837, and I could've sworn someone else explained the same concept earlier in a different forum thread to you a while ago. If you still can't figure it out beyond that, maybe someone can make you a youtube video tutorial using unregistered hypercam 2.
Missed that comment here, my mistake. Regardless I didn’t know at the time.
LQ said:
upload official art for other copyrights
also if you upload art that's likely to be approved within minutes/hours of upload, that will feel like you have more slots than when you upload stuff that takes 3 days
The problem is the other copyrights I like barring a few exceptions when it comes to FGO, have their stuff already uploaded here. Should probably upload that Gourd Neco art as it's not here but that asides not much.
Knowledge_Seeker said:
Yep, that sums up the point of this thread. Not gonna lie, I'm lowkey kinda insulted by the notion that one deserves special treatment when the system is clearly working as intended. Sure, I'm prone to uploading mediocre posts that are only there for archival purposes, but raising the quality bar was not only my gate to actually improving as an uploader, but also I find uploading much more fun actively looking for good art. Also, "looking for good art" is why I know useless skills like "how to bypass the right-click-save restrictions on obscure Chinese art sites", among other things (and the world will never know peace if I can add "ripping game assets" to my roster of skills as opposed to just tripping into file caches where the work is already done for me lol). Like, it's not that hard to find good art, whether your fandom of choice is large or small. I still can find unupped good Hatsune Miku art...When actively looking for Kaname Madoka. Not to mention, while I'm not sure how one would define my career as a Danbooru uploader, "populating small copytags to the four digits" is certainly part of it, as there's simply a lot out there you can't expect other people to upload for you. Is there no sense of satisfaction in doing exactly that? Or managing to find the first-party source to a third-party source?
I just don't understand the mindset here, nor do I really care to honestly. But in order to turn this thread into something productive, I suppose I will chip in with my own observations over the past couple years too. Less for the sake of this user, but more for the sake of any members wanting to contribute who found this thread (or are currently lurking here, I don't fucking know).
*Official art and game cgs, as Ylimegirl mentioned, never hurt to upload, especially if you can get your hands on the proper files. I like finding obscure merchandise personally, but being the person responsible for most a tag's game cgs ain't a bad gig either. Especially if the game is obscure. Also, Upload Bounty Thread never hurts to check if you don't got a clue where to start. That thread started long after I got my feet off the ground as an uploader (so I never needed to turn to it before), but it's a great resource for getting started if you find something you like. Then, go from there and fall down a billion rabbit holes.
- There are pros and cons to uploading for bigger and smaller fandoms alike. Uploading for popular copytags tends to result in an inherent larger pool of approvers willing to give your upload the time of day simply due to being recognizable, which is doubly useful for porn (which inherently has a stricter standard regardless). However, large fandoms means lots of active contributors, which can result in you getting image sniped or simply being a moment too late to the punch on uploading. My advice here is to avoid the popular artists and seek out more unknown artists for whatever you are trying to upload here. PISA and its Twitter counterparts are huge boons in this. Also, Chinese art sites if you can find your way in are usually less likely to have that happen.
Smaller fandoms have the inverse set-up. On the one hand, chances are good you will be the only active uploader at any one time for a smaller copytag, which means the chances of getting sniped are much slimmer than in larger fandoms, which takes some of the pressure off. You are also essentially free to curate the tag to your own taste (so it better be good!), and can essentially trip into treasure troves of art wherever you look depending on the fandom. However, the cost of this is a slimmer pool of approvers willing to give your upload a shot simply out of recognizability's sake, which means you actively have to try harder compared to the larger fandoms quality wise. I do feel like this has improved quite a bit since I started uploading a couple years back, but it's still a pretty persistent thing you'll need to watch out for. And heaven help you if you're trying to upload porn...
As someone who has dabbled in both, I don't think either is necessarily better than the other. I personally prefer the latter set-up due to what I naturally gravitate towards as an uploader, but I'll upload pretty much anything I think looks nice too. Just play to what you want to upload. Also, don't forget about the originals!
- Many a time, I've found images be passed up in queue simply because no approver thought them very interesting. And personally, I tend to be inclined to agree. As mentioned before, many an uploader has made a career out of the old "1girl solo simple background" combo. But even then, those images usually have something more going onto them that makes them appealing to the eyes. For example, compare post #9193692 to post #9048288. Look at how Madoka is shaded, not to mention the fact that she's properly posed as opposed to a rather stiff cropped torso like Oda Nobunaga there. Or post #9114844 to post #8995782. The former has incredibly bland shading and a very stiff pose. Yuuka is doing nothing interesting here, but it's not balanced out by lighting or anything. It looks utterly amateurish, whereas post #8995782, despite being an older work, has an interesting art style, not to mention a lot going on like with her clothes and her expression. Look for interesting art, and make sure it's good too. Approvers can be much more lenient if the post itself is interesting in some way.
Okay, that's all I got for now. But I hope this is hopeful to someone out there. Probably not the user who made this thread, but at least to some lurking member or whatever. Like I said, this is just my own personal experience in the past two years I've wrangled with the queue and observed what tends to and tends to not make it through of my 40k+ uploads. Others' experience may be different compared to mine, but I imagine there are some similarities between my experience and theirs. Basically, aim for posts more like post #9198743, post #9122369, or post #9145805 as examples. As opposed to post #9140223, post #9114844, or post #9072501.
The Saber the artist suggested I upload, and the other 2 were due to them both not having much art (Why is it always those 2 everyone asks about lmao)
You can like... truncate quoted replies so we know what part of the post you're replying to specifically. And to not take up so many square pixels on people's computers.
Anyways, artists are always biased towards their own work, which is why a lot of self-uploads are often deleted. "The artist asked me to" isn't really a defense for poor-quality artwork. "A character doesn't have a lot of art of them uploaded" doesn't mean that any art of them is good by default, and doesn't mean said fanart needs to be uploaded.
All this to say you're really really really missing the forest for the trees here in regards to what people are suggesting you do to raise your upload limit and what you're responding to. You're focusing way too much on your past deleted uploads and insisting they should be retroactively approved for some reason and doubling-down on not being able to find art to upload, when we have told you several times where you can find art that's going to be approved. Even some artists in the upload bounty thread are for FGO artists. I don't really know if we can continue having this conversation if you're going to continue ignoring the points raised this badly.
Anyways tl;dr, no you can't have your upload cap reset. If you can't figure out what standards the approvers are looking for after a whole year of being on the site, that sounds like a you problem.
These responses are exactly why my wall of text wasn't actually aimed at you, because this is exactly how I expected you to respond when I wrote it out. None of these are actual excuses for uploading blatantly poor quality art like post #9114844. If you can't see the problem with your deleted uploads one iota, then I've got nothing left to say to you. It sounds to me like you have no desire to actually improve the quality of your uploads and are throwing a temper tantrum that the system is working exactly as intended in regards to your uploads. I'm no longer "kinda" insulted. I am profoundly insulted by the sheer audacity on display now. If I can find good unupped Touhou or Fate/Grand Order art out there when I ain't even actively looking for it, you have no actual excuse as someone apparently actively looking for such. If you even tried that is (which I sincerely doubt). Do better, or stop uploading at all, take your pick.
Ylimegirl said:
You can like... truncate quoted replies so we know what part of the post you're replying to specifically. And to not take up so many square pixels on people's computers.
Anyways, artists are always biased towards their own work, which is why a lot of self-uploads are often deleted. "The artist asked me to" isn't really a defense for poor-quality artwork. "A character doesn't have a lot of art of them uploaded" doesn't mean that any art of them is good by default, and doesn't mean said fanart needs to be uploaded.
All this to say you're really really really missing the forest for the trees here in regards to what people are suggesting you do to raise your upload limit and what you're responding to. You're focusing way too much on your past deleted uploads and insisting they should be retroactively approved for some reason and doubling-down on not being able to find art to upload, when we have told you several times where you can find art that's going to be approved. Even some artists in the upload bounty thread are for FGO artists. I don't really know if we can continue having this conversation if you're going to continue ignoring the points raised this badly.
Anyways tl;dr, no you can't have your upload cap reset. If you can't figure out what standards the approvers are looking for after a whole year of being on the site, that sounds like a you problem.
I keep mentioning them as they're what's being brought up lol. What do you expect?
Knowledge_Seeker said:
These responses are exactly why my wall of text wasn't actually aimed at you, because this is exactly how I expected you to respond when I wrote it out. None of these are actual excuses for uploading blatantly poor quality art like post #9114844. If you can't see the problem with your deleted uploads one iota, then I've got nothing left to say to you. It sounds to me like you have no desire to actually improve the quality of your uploads and are throwing a temper tantrum that the system is working exactly as intended in regards to your uploads. I'm no longer "kinda" insulted. I am profoundly insulted by the sheer audacity on display now. If I can find good unupped Touhou or Fate/Grand Order art out there when I ain't even actively looking for it, you have no actual excuse as someone apparently actively looking for such. If you even tried that is (which I sincerely doubt). Do better, or stop uploading at all, take your pick.
Ylimegirl said:
You can like... truncate quoted replies so we know what part of the post you're replying to specifically. And to not take up so many square pixels on people's computers.
Anyways, artists are always biased towards their own work, which is why a lot of self-uploads are often deleted. "The artist asked me to" isn't really a defense for poor-quality artwork. "A character doesn't have a lot of art of them uploaded" doesn't mean that any art of them is good by default, and doesn't mean said fanart needs to be uploaded.
All this to say you're really really really missing the forest for the trees here in regards to what people are suggesting you do to raise your upload limit and what you're responding to. You're focusing way too much on your past deleted uploads and insisting they should be retroactively approved for some reason and doubling-down on not being able to find art to upload, when we have told you several times where you can find art that's going to be approved. Even some artists in the upload bounty thread are for FGO artists. I don't really know if we can continue having this conversation if you're going to continue ignoring the points raised this badly.
Anyways tl;dr, no you can't have your upload cap reset. If you can't figure out what standards the approvers are looking for after a whole year of being on the site, that sounds like a you problem.
As for some context, I do have some standards when it comes to art I upload, notice that none of it's been MSPaint art or whathave lol, Typically I'll try and find art of a character either on Google/Yandex or Pixiv and upload what i think looks good and/or interesting (IE that Citadel Warhammer Crossover art I saw), and I upload it. The reason I asked about the reset is due to approved uploads being less important then denied ones, plus in the past I've uploaded high quality art and appealed it in the fourm, but that doesn't increse my cap either.
Witch-Hunter-Siegfried said:
As for some context, I do have some standards when it comes to art I upload, notice that none of it's been MSPaint art or whathave lol, Typically I'll try and find art of a character either on Google/Yandex or Pixiv and upload what i think looks good and/or interesting (IE that Citadel Warhammer Crossover art I saw), and I upload it.
MS Paint quality is a low bar to set. Posting things better than that just means your posts won’t get manually deleted. You need to pay attention to what works and what doesn’t. That’s all there is to it.
The reason I asked about the reset is due to approved uploads being less important then denied ones, plus in the past I've uploaded high quality art and appealed it in the fourm, but that doesn't increse my cap either.
That’s true for everyone. If you were suggesting the weight between approved and deleted posts should be closer, that’s one thing. But you weren’t asking for a change to the system. You were asking that you be exempt from the same limitations as everyone else. If you were at school, do you believe your teacher would change the failing grades on your report card to passing ones simply because you tried really really hard?
Also, please just quote the relevant parts of previous posts like Ylimegirl suggested. Notice how I broke your quote into pieces above? You can omit completely unnecessary parts too.
Blank_User said:
That’s true for everyone. If you were suggesting the weight between approved and deleted posts should be closer, that’s one thing. But you weren’t asking for a change to the system. You were asking that you be exempt from the same limitations as everyone else. If you were at school, do you believe your teacher would change the failing grades on your report card to passing ones simply because you tried really really hard?
Also, please just quote the relevant parts of previous posts like Ylimegirl said. Notice how I broke your quote into pieces above?
To be perfectly honest I never knew exactly how the system worked until I got in this thread lol, I just knew I kept loosing cap, probably should have figured it out soon.
Probably shouldn't be a Builder if basic things like the upload cap and knowing what is likely to pass curation is beyond you still. That's behavior you'd expect of someone new.
You can mouse over your upload limit to see how much is necessary to increase your cap. That's the only way your cap is going to increase.
Witch-Hunter-Siegfried said:
The problem is the other copyrights I like barring a few exceptions when it comes to FGO, have their stuff already uploaded here. Should probably upload that Gourd Neco art as it's not here but that asides not much.
Try liking cute girls instead of just specific copyrights; there's lots of unuploaded cute stuff and original work even if you don't know about the characters or the series they're from