The bulk update request #41370 (forum #356869) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
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The bulk update request #41370 (forum #356869) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
nonamethanks said:
BUR #41370 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
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mass update anne_bonny_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate) anne_bonny_(swimsuit_archer)_(*)_(fate) -> -anne_bonny_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate)
mass update mary_read_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate) mary_read_(swimsuit_archer)_(*)_(fate) -> -mary_read_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate)
mass update marie_antoinette_(swimsuit_caster)_(fate) marie_antoinette_(swimsuit_caster)_(*)_(fate) -> -marie_antoinette_(swimsuit_caster)_(fate)
mass update marie_antoinette_(swimsuit_caster)_(fate) marie_antoinette_(crystal_dress)_(fate) -> -marie_antoinette_(swimsuit_caster)_(fate)
mass update kiyohime_(swimsuit_lancer)_(fate) kiyohime_(swimsuit_lancer)_(*)_(fate) -> -kiyohime_(swimsuit_lancer)_(fate)
mass update helena_blavatsky_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate) helena_blavatsky_(swimsuit_archer)_(*)_(fate) -> -helena_blavatsky_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate)@Ylimegirl these are going to need deprecation wikis now, and the various posts remaining here need to be moved to the correct subtags, and their appearances should be migrated to the individual costume tags and main tags if they haven't already. I'm going to do them a few at a time because I need to inspect them all in detail.
Done for the tags you've deprecated.
You can (and should) add the missing tags in advance, for example: nitocris_(swimsuit_assassin)_(fate) -nitocris_(swimsuit_assassin)_(*)_(fate) or ibaraki_douji_(swimsuit_lancer)_(fate) -ibaraki_douji_(swimsuit_lancer)_(*)_(fate). If there's a lot of results in these tags that's a sign that it's not a great idea.
🫡 On it.
ETA: Should have them all covered except for banned posts and the annoyance Swimsuit Nito's first ascension is. I'll add mass-update-removing lines to my BURs.
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Ylimegirl said:
BUR #40396 has been rejected.
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remove implication miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)
create implication miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> miyamoto_musashi_(fate)
remove implication miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)
create implication miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> miyamoto_musashi_(fate)
remove implication miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)
create implication miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> miyamoto_musashi_(fate)
deprecate miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)
mass update miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(*_ascension)_(fate) -> -miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)We've reached Musashi and her ameritiddies. Yay <3
All of her swimsuits are different. Only connective point is her single side bun, which... ehh.... I guess maybe.......?
Looks like that's the only one for 2019, since Okki's got a common throughline in her first 2 ascensions, Carmilla's got a shared throughline in her first and third, Ruler Artoria is a scary umbrella tag and again has a throughline in her first and third ascensions, Meltryllis has a common theme in her second & third with her prostheses and swimsuit design, and Okita J has a common throughline and is another scary umbrella tag.
There's a bunch of weird results under miyamoto_musashi_(fate) single_side_bun -miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate).
Ok, I went through all of them, I think I can agree with all of them except Nitocris, because of Medjed's costume traits that make her version very recognizable. She also kind of became a meme at some point due to it, so I think it's just easier for us to treat her as a special case and leave her swimsuit tag alone. For the rest, they're all fairly different, so as long as there's no results under the swimsuit tag that aren't tagged with the other subcostumes, it should be fine.
Also watch as we do these and Fate starts releasing subcostumes for each ascension
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nonamethanks said:
There's a bunch of weird results under miyamoto_musashi_(fate) single_side_bun -miyamoto_musashi_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate).
Fair enough, maybe this umbrella can stay. Some of those are for her dream portrait, which should probably be implicated to said umbrella tag if the umbrella remains.
Ok, I went through all of them, I think I can agree with all of them except Nitocris, because of Medjed's costume traits that make her version very recognizable. She also kind of became a meme at some point due to it, so I think it's just easier for us to treat her as a special case and leave her swimsuit tag alone.
Maybe her first ascension warrants a tag now since it's clearly so prolific at this point?
Ylimegirl said:
BUR #41049 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
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remove implication baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(fate)
create implication baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> baobhan_sith_(fate)
remove implication baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(fate)
create implication baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> baobhan_sith_(fate)
remove implication baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(fate)
create implication baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> baobhan_sith_(fate)
deprecate baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(fate)
mass update baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(*_ascension)_(fate) -> -baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(fate)And rounding off 2023's batch of swimsuits with Baobhan Sith.
Another reason I don't approve of this one specifically is due to her unique hairstyles that she has. I've saw that you tagged posts such as post #9302315 with her specific ascension corresponding to her hairstyle, which I also don't agree with. It's similar to tagging post #8740477 with first ascension due to her having her hair ornament she wears in that ascension. It's obvious that she's her swimsuit version in post #9302315 due to her unique hairstyle, but she I don't think she should be tagged as a specific ascension due to her not wearing that specific ascensions clothing like in post #8740477. That's where the umbrella tag would be useful for imo.
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HeyaHowYaDoin said:
Another reason I don't approve of this one specifically is due to her unique hairstyles in these ascensions. I've saw that you tagged posts such as post #9302315 with her specific ascension corresponding to her hairstyle, which I also don't agree with. It's the same as tagging post #8740477 with first ascension due to her having her hair ornament she wears in that ascension. It's obvious that she's her swimsuit version in post #9302315 due to her unique hairstyle, but she I don't think she should be tagged as a specific ascension due to her not wearing that specific ascensions clothing like in post #8740477. That's where the umbrella tag would be useful for imo.
I feel like you're contradicting yourself a bit? If she has three different hairstyles in each ascension, then the specific ascension it corresponds to should be tagged, right? If you don't think a hairstyle is enough to identify a specific ascension because she's nude, then just tag it with her base tag and nothing else. Just tagging with the swimsuit version without the specific ascension because she's nekkid, when every ascension's hairstyle is distinct, feels like being stubborn for no reason.
Ylimegirl said:
I feel like you're contradicting yourself a bit? If she has three different hairstyles in each ascension, then the specific ascension it corresponds to should be tagged, right? If you don't think a hairstyle is enough to identify a specific ascension because she's nude, then just tag it with her base tag and nothing else. Just tagging with the swimsuit version without the specific ascension because she's nekkid, when every ascension's hairstyle is distinct, feels like being stubborn for no reason.
I think the hairstyles should be an indicator that she's in her swimsuit spirit origin, and the specific clothes she wears should indicate what ascension she's in.
HeyaHowYaDoin said:
And I also think this should apply to other swimsuits with unique hairstyles
Each ascension for Baobhan Sith has a different hairstyle though. post #9166284 and post #9297852 are completely different.
nonamethanks said:
Each ascension for Baobhan Sith has a different hairstyle though. post #9166284 and post #9297852 are completely different.
Same is true for other characters, yet they don't get tagged with a specific ascension. For example, post #9294586, post #9288404, post #9320782, Lilith has her second ascension hairstyle, and has a unique hairstyle in each ascension, yet people don't tag her in these posts as second ascension due to her not wearing her second ascension clothing.
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HeyaHowYaDoin said:
Same is true for other characters, yet they don't get tagged with a specific ascension. For example, post #9294586, post #9288404, post #9320782, Lilith has her second ascension hairstyle, and has a unique hairstyle in each ascension, yet people don't tag her in these posts as second ascension due to her not wearing her second ascension clothing.
I don't follow your argument. The point being discussed here is that we don't need an umbrella tag for Baobhan Sith's generic swimsuit costume tag, because there's no appearance common to all the various subcostumes that puts them apart from the rest of her costumes. There's no common visual being grouped under baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(fate), we're adding extra complexity to this implication tree just because these subtags share a part of the name and for no other reason.
What does that have to do with Lilith's tagging?
HeyaHowYaDoin said:
Same is true for other characters, yet they don't get tagged with a specific ascension. For example, post #9294586, post #9288404, post #9320782, Lilith has her second ascension hairstyle, and has a unique hairstyle in each ascension, yet people don't tag her in these posts as second ascension due to her not wearing her second ascension clothing.
I actually would tag those ascensions personally (especially depictions of her third ascension since she is supposed to be slightly older than her first two), but a lot of taggers don't care enough to bother with the minutae.
nonamethanks said:
I don't follow your argument. The point being discussed here is that we don't need an umbrella tag for Baobhan Sith's generic swimsuit costume tag, because there's no appearance common to all the various subcostumes that puts them apart from the rest of her costumes. What does that have to do with Lilith's tagging?
Ascension tags are supposed to be costume tags, meaning if the character is tagged that, they're wearing that specific outfit/costume. I think that post #9062676 should be tagged with her umbrella tag, since its meant to be her in her Pretender spirit origin, but not tagged baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(second_ascension)_(fate), since its her in a different costume.
HeyaHowYaDoin said:
Ascension tags are supposed to be costume tags, meaning if the character is tagged that, they're wearing that specific outfit/costume. I think that post #9062676 should be tagged with her umbrella tag, since its meant to be her in her Pretender spirit origin, but not tagged baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(second_ascension)_(fate), since its her in a different costume.
HeyaHowYaDoin said:
Ascension tags are supposed to be costume tags
That post is obviously referencing the second ascension, it's using the same accessories, why wouldn't we tag it as that? If you wouldn't tag it as second ascension, which it directly shares traits with, then why would you try to shove it under baobhan_sith_(swimsuit_pretender)_(fate) by force? That post has nothing to do with the costume under post #6598288 or post #9148241 or any of the other current subtags of the Swimsuit Pretender umbrella tag, the only connection to it is through the Second Ascension costume.
You are at the same time canon tagging while not tagging what you see in the post.
nonamethanks said:
You are at the same time canon tagging while not tagging what you see in the post.
I am tagging what I see, and I don't see her wearing her purple shirt and grey capelet she wears in that ascension. I wouldn't tag post #9165583 or post #4603420 with her first ascension just because she wears that hair piece she only wears in that ascension.
HeyaHowYaDoin said:
I am tagging what I see, and I don't see her wearing her purple shirt and grey capelet she wears in that ascension. I wouldn't tag post #9165583 or post #4603420 with her first ascension just because she wears that hair piece she only wears in that ascension.
Then where are you getting that it's the swimsuit variant being depicted?
nonamethanks said:
Then where are you getting that it's the swimsuit variant being depicted?
What i'm saying is that her hairstyle should be a hint that its her in her swimsuit origin, like how Ibuki's horns imply she's her swimsuit version, but her actual outfit should deem what ascension tag the art is tagged with. I wouldn't tag post #7975959 with both her first and third swimsuit ascensions just because she had her third ascension hairstyle, like how I wouldn't tag post #9062676 with her swimsuit second ascension, because neither are wearing that specific ascensions outfit
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