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Toire no Hanako-san
Why does Hanako-san get her own copyright tag? Other urban legend ghosts (Hasshaku-sama, Mary-san, Aka Manto, Teke-teke, Kuchisake-onna) don't get that treatment, they just get tagged as original.
Shouldn't there be consistency between them, one way or the other?
BaiserLaVerite said:
Toire no Hanako-san
Why does Hanako-san get her own copyright tag? Other urban legend ghosts (Hasshaku-sama, Mary-san, Aka Manto, Teke-teke, Kuchisake-onna) don't get that treatment, they just get tagged as original.
Shouldn't there be consistency between them, one way or the other?
You could've checked the tag history and, through that, the forum discussions, to find that Hanako-san has actually had a complicated tag history. The original form of Hanako-san's tags were Toilet no Hanako-san and Hanako-san respectively, but the earliest tagged posts were in fact for what is now tagged as Fushigi Tsuushin Toire no Hanako-san and Hanako-san (Fushigi Tsuushin Toire no Hanako-san), a specific version of the character that curiously featured an additional figure in Yamiko-san (Fushigi Tsuushin Toire no Hanako-san), which necessitated a copytag. In 2016, mock manually moved this version of the character out of the tags and gave 'em their own tags, and the Hanako-san tag was abandoned in favor of Toile no Hanako-san as the chartag for ambiguity reasons... but the original Toilet no Hanako-san copytag remained untouched.
Then, in 2022, topic #21943 happened, and no one questioned the fact that she just seemed to have a copytag for some reason, and it got moved to Toire no Hanako-san, and the chartag changed to Hanako-san (Toire no Hanako-san).
The lack of copyright consistency also affects Hasshaku-sama, who still inconsistently gets tagged with either original or 2channel (the site she was originally posted on).
Interestingly, urban legend has been used as a kind of pseudo-copytag for these characters for a while - presumably because the name is too generic to be considered a copyright. We already give some uncopyrightable folklore characters umbrella tags, such as creepypasta and Japanese mythology, so it feels like it would make sense to group these as well.
(Though as a side note - Kuchisake-onna needs to be sorted out, too. Currently it's getting used as both a character tag and a monster girl tag.)
feline_lump said:
The lack of copyright consistency also affects Hasshaku-sama, who still inconsistently gets tagged with either original or 2channel (the site she was originally posted on).
Interestingly, urban legend has been used as a kind of pseudo-copytag for these characters for a while - presumably because the name is too generic to be considered a copyright. We already give some uncopyrightable folklore characters umbrella tags, such as creepypasta and Japanese mythology, so it feels like it would make sense to group these as well.
I think with Hasshaku-sama, the best we could do copytag-wise is just make a tag for her and the other creations of the "Let's gather up seriously, deadly scary stories, shall we? (ζ»γ¬η¨ζ΄θ½γ«γͺγγͺγζγθ©±γιγγ¦γΏγͺγ?)" thread/topic of 2channel's Occult Board. The thread often gets shortened to 'ζ΄θ½ζ', which English Pixpedia translates as Sharekowa (and if not that, we could do one for the occult board as a whole - γͺγ«γ«γθΆ εΈΈηΎθ±‘; or OkaBoard/γͺγ«ζΏ for short - since 2channel (/livejupiter/) exists). Kisaragi Station, Saruyume, and Kankandara are also from there, and Kune-kune is believed to be from there too, so at minimum it wouldn't just be a tag for Hasshaku-sama.
feline_lump said:
(Though as a side note - Kuchisake-onna needs to be sorted out, too. Currently it's getting used as both a character tag and a monster girl tag.)
No idea how to deal with that though.
BUR #41440 has been rejected.
create alias hanako-san_(toire_no_hanako-san) -> toire_no_hanako-san
mass update toire_no_hanako-san -> original
Because no one did anything, I'll suggest this.
Damian0358 said:
BUR #41440 has been rejected.
create alias hanako-san_(toire_no_hanako-san) -> toire_no_hanako-san
mass update toire_no_hanako-san -> originalBecause no one did anything, I'll suggest this.
Would this not just result in all images with either the chara or the copy tag losing both and getting original instead?
skylightcrystal said:
Would this not just result in all images with either the chara or the copy tag losing both and getting original instead?
No. It would merge the copytags & charatags into one tag, and then add the original copytag to all posts with the character. It works the same as tag scripts, it only adds tags and wouldn't remove it unless you also include -toire_no_hanako-san.
skylightcrystal said:
Would this not just result in all images with either the chara or the copy tag losing both and getting original instead?
No, it wouldn't. Look at forum #356922 from earlier today.
BUR #41587 has been rejected.
mass update miroku-san_(kuchi_ga_saketemo_kimi_ni_wa) -> -kuchisake-onna -original
mass update kiri_(modern_mogal) -> -kuchisake-onna -original
Since this was mentioned here, doing this would probably help in reducing the use of the Kuchisake tag as a generic monster girl tag.
I don't think dumping it all under original makes much sense for us. They're not "original" characters.
We could make a tag like japanese urban legends, akin to greek mythology & co, where all these single-character "copyrights" could go into.
BUR #42250 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create alias hanako-san_(toire_no_hanako-san) -> toire_no_hanako-san
mass update toire_no_hanako-san -> copy:japanese_urban_legends
create alias 2channel_(/occult/) -> japanese_urban_legends
create alias 2channel_(sharekowa) -> japanese_urban_legends
create alias japanese_creepypasta -> japanese_urban_legends
Alright, if we want to do that then, let's go all the way. Redone BUR with the mass update line changed to create the Japanese Urban Legends tag, and utility aliases per the kind of stuff that's going to be under it.
nonamethanks said:
We need a list of other characters that would fall under this copyright.
That is just the BUR to create it, we'd do a BUR afterward for additional characters. The Sharekowa stuff would obviously go there, so Hasshaku-sama, Kisaragi Station, Saruyume, Kankandara, Kune-kune, as well as Kuchisake-onna and Mary-san. So that's a start.
BUR #43322 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
mass update kuchisake-onna -> japanese_urban_legends
mass update mary-san -> japanese_urban_legends
mass update hasshaku-sama -> japanese_urban_legends
mass update kankandara -> japanese_urban_legends
mass update kisaragi_station -> japanese_urban_legends
mass update saruyume -> japanese_urban_legends
mass update kune-kune -> japanese_urban_legends
Since Hanako-san is in the first BUR, here are the rest. I would add additional lines mass updating to remove instances of original and 2channel where appropriate from solo posts, but some of these might just be references to the urban legend and not just the thing itself tagged (see mary-san solo original catching a bunch of Urban Legend in Limbo Komeiji Koishi posts). So I think I could just garden that manually after the BUR passes.
BUR #43517 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
mass update aka_manto -> japanese_urban_legends
mass update teke-teke -> japanese_urban_legends
Also these two, who were mentioned earlier in this thread.
The bulk update request #42250 (forum #360425) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
