Wouldn't tagging solo on multiple views also mess with how some BURs are done potentially?
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Though there are more far more solo posts than multiple views posts, it's more important to be able to search for pinups of just one depicted person than it is to search for images featuring only a single character. At least 57% of multiple views posts are single characters anyway. Except for things like cosplay, chartags:1 works 83% of the time.
I think a solo_multiple_views tag to catch them all would be really useful, though.
LQ said:
Except for things like cosplay, chartags:1 works 83% of the time.
chartags:1 doesn't work very well anymore with the huge increase in character tags for costumes and variants of characters. hatsune_miku solo chartags:1, for instance, has about 77% of the post count of hatsune_miku solo (and most of the excluded posts aren't cosplay)
LQ said:
it's more important to be able to search for pinups of just one depicted person than it is to search for images featuring only a single character.
By what metric?
Just double checking, we are all aware that the post count disparity here is 5.4 million to 187 thousand, right? Not even all of those 187k would qualify for a revised solo, so the actual impact is even less than a glance at the numbers would suggest.
We're also still for some reason pretending that "-multiple_views" wouldn't immediately solve that problem anyway. That would inconvenience Members more than anything, but at least then they would actually be able to search for "all posts featuring only one character", something not even Builders can currently do without an excessively complicated search.
At least evazion makes a good point about "one instance of one subject" and "multiple instances of one subject" being visually distinct concepts.
Also worth mentioning is that sometimes people misuse multiple views. If the characters are interacting or clearly existing within the same physical space, that's not multiple views, that's either clone, dual persona or multiple persona.
post #9343980 looks like it should be multiple persona, for example. The characters are inhabiting a shared physical space at the same time.
I would tag that Miku post (post #9252376) clone, tbh, it's an edge case but you can clearly see one of the smaller Mikus resting her hand on the larger one's, as well as a Miku getting a leek dropped on her head by another.
It's not like a rampant issue, but I tend to find the edge case posts that people feel definitely shouldn't be solo aren't multiple views to begin with.
What solo is defined as (which fits the purpose I want for the tag in my searches) and what people here expect it to be are completely different things to me. That should both be tagged.
Ideally there'd be a function that adds up the #boys, #girls, and #others to a single searchable number. Lacking that, I think the solution is a "1character" or "1character only" tag (or "1person", "1subject").
With that tag, solo and solo focus could be merged, with "solo 1character" and "solo -1character" being the equivalents of the current tags. (solo focus being separate just because there are people in the periphery or background never seemed relevant to the tag's aim, though it is useful for porn searches)
LQ said:
Almost all art being solo pinups suggests it's a more desirable search outcome, and same-girl-shown-many-times is more niche.
Wait, you're saying that there are more artworks featuring a single character (less work usually) than artworks featuring a single character from multiple points of view (more work usually)!?
On a serious note, I don't see your point.
When I'm searching for solo artworks, I'm searching for artworks featuring a single character, but that doesn't mean I'm not searching EXCLUSIVELY artworks featuring a single portrait of a single character.
blindVigil said:
We're also still for some reason pretending that "-multiple_views" wouldn't immediately solve that problem anyway. That would inconvenience Members more than anything, but at least then they would actually be able to search for "all posts featuring only one character", something not even Builders can currently do without an excessively complicated search.
This is what you should be focusing on. Neither solution is perfect, but one solution is much better than the other.
evazion said:
Yeah, and "multiple instances of a single character" and "a single instance of a single character" are visually two different things. If we have multiple views for "multiple views of a single character", then we also need a tag for "a single view of a single character". Currently solo is that tag.
Otherwise it's impossible to find "Hatsune Miku by herself" without getting unexpected corner cases like "Hatsune Miku with a dozen copies of herself"
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I would propose a new tag, maybe multiple_views_multiple_characters?
LQ said:
Almost all art being solo pinups suggests it's a more desirable search outcome, and same-girl-shown-many-times is more niche.
The amount of a certain concept on the site is not correlative with what is a more "important" search. That would be like saying it doesn't matter if we have a dedicated tag for scat or not because it's extremely niche and only has 434 posts.
All you've pointed out is that solo pinups are more often created by artists, but that has nothing to do with what a user is actually searching for.
I don't know if I can add anything useful here, but what do users actually seek when they search the tag solo?
Should reference sheets such as post #9182902, post #8609735 (one full-body with extra different facial expressions) or post #8891671 (one full-body, one zoomed-in waist-up, and 3 additional facial expressions) tagged with solo? These are not from different viewpoints, not in different outfits, or not in different poses, so these are not in the description of multiple_views. If these are cases of multiple_expressions, should multiple_expressions always imply multiple_views?
Do you use solo for when the character is alone while having a video call that features many other characters? Such as post #4399805 or post #4099757? Or when a character is alone in front of a character portrait such as post #9263283? Should post #9129539 be tagged 1girl solo because a lone character is standing in front of a portrait_(object) of two girls? These seem to be against "No one else should be visible in the image."
I'm just really really confused at this point.
i'm against changing the definition of solo but in favor of creating a tag to handle images with multiple depictions of a solo character as others have noted. this is a concept that's pretty difficult to search for, the query that i was able to work out was ~(1girl -1boy -1other) ~(-1girl 1boy -1other) ~(-1girl -1boy 1other) -multiple_girls -multiple_boys -multiple_others (~multiple_views ~comic), a ridiculously long search that i think by itself justifies the existence of a multiple solo tag.
siraco said:
I don't know if I can add anything useful here, but what do users actually seek when they search the tag solo?
Should reference sheets such as post #9182902, post #8609735 (one full-body with extra different facial expressions) or post #8891671 (one full-body, one zoomed-in waist-up, and 3 additional facial expressions) tagged with solo? These are not from different viewpoints, not in different outfits, or not in different poses, so these are not in the description of multiple_views. If these are cases of multiple_expressions, should multiple_expressions always imply multiple_views?
Do you use solo for when the character is alone while having a video call that features many other characters? Such as post #4399805 or post #4099757? Or when a character is alone in front of a character portrait such as post #9263283? Should post #9129539 be tagged 1girl solo because a lone character is standing in front of a portrait_(object) of two girls? These seem to be against "No one else should be visible in the image."
I'm just really really confused at this point.
Just to throw my opinion is here because I ran into the issue once. I was looking for female_masturbation but just for pictures of one lady doing the deed so I added solo. I realized the solo tag didn't work for my needs because it excluded situations where female_masturbation of one 1 lady was present but the picture showed multiple views of her doing the deed. I couldn't figure out a way to search for every picture of a single woman masturbating that didn't exclude pictures because of multiple views etc.
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