Make East Meets West a tag?

BUR #40956 has been rejected.

mass update pool:1791 -> east_meets_west -pool:1791

Another proposal for the pool to tag trend.

This is one of the largest collection pools, and I'm not sure how it's any less objective than our variety of other crossover related tags like trait connection or in-franchise crossover. If anything, being a pool instead of a tag just hurts its visibility.

I've held off on proposing this because I wasn't sure if I was missing something since no one had brought it up before, but even if I am missing something I suppose it doesn't hurt to propose it anyways...

Feels a little too subjective for a tag? That's just my opinion.

It's a very haphazard pool in general, having crossover, scene reference, cosplay, and style parody all garbled together. Not to mention a few posts from Popular artists draw other copyrights.

Ylimegirl said:

Feels a little too subjective for a tag? That's just my opinion.

What's subjective about "an Eastern copyright/character and a Western copyright/character"? Like, there's no subjectivity about whether something's from East Asia or not? It just is or isn't?

It's a very haphazard pool in general, having crossover, scene reference, cosplay, and style parody all garbled together. Not to mention a few posts from Popular artists draw other copyrights.

All of this applies to tags like trait connection and company connection too

Ylimegirl said:

Feels a little too subjective for a tag? That's just my opinion.

It's a very haphazard pool in general, having crossover, scene reference, cosplay, and style parody all garbled together. Not to mention a few posts from Popular artists draw other copyrights.

There's nothing wrong with "the fusion of eastern and western pop culture" being a tag rather than a pool. It's easier to search, simpler to use, and it's not nearly as confusing of a concept as you're making it out to be. Scrolling through the recent posts, the vast majority are exactly what you'd expect to find. Sure, there's the occasional post that might not fit, but that's why we garden - asking perfection of any tag is folly. It's good enough, and that's what matters.

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convert pool:1791 -> east_meets_west

Trying this a third time because I really don't know why it's been rejected twice when it's both one of the most objective remaining collection pools and one of the easiest to deal with.

The pool description would definitely need an update once converted, since it weirdly implies East -> West over West -> East for some reason, but other than that I can't really see any issues here.

Like, other than a very select few outliers (i.e. the rare anime based on Western IP like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and Scott Pilgrim Takes Off, and other weird cases like Hololive English which I think was discussed in relation to the pool in the past), in 99% of cases it's extremely straightforward as to whether something includes elements of both an Eastern copyright and a Western one.

Confetto said in forum #426831:

Like, other than a very select few outliers (i.e. the rare anime based on Western IP like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners

Which has 4k posts, about half the pool's size. A single outlier is enough to completely destroy a tag.

If we wanted this pool to work as a tag, it should have a name like east-west crossover.

nonamethanks said in forum #432520:

Which has 4k posts, about half the pool's size. A single outlier is enough to completely destroy a tag.

If we wanted this pool to work as a tag, it should have a name like east-west crossover.

...I was saying that other than those outliers, there isn't any confusion as to what counts as "east" and "west". The only posts from Edgerunners in the pool feature characters made specifically for the anime. I wasn't implying anything about those IPs inherently qualifying, I was only talking about how the pool isn't subjective.

I don't mind a different name, but it doesn't only include crossovers, it also includes parodies and cosplay. Though I guess that's fine as long as the wiki clarifies it includes parodies.

BUR #57574 is pending approval.

convert pool:1791 -> east-west_crossover

Alternate name suggestion as per above. I don't really think the current name would cause issues, personally, but I don't mind this one, as long as the wiki clarifies that "crossover" in the context of this tag is including parodies as well.

Confetto said in forum #432521:

The only posts from Edgerunners in the pool feature characters made specifically for the anime.

Because pools are lower profile than tags, and far fewer people (ab)use them. Also, currently the pool states that whole other pools should not be added to it. This will change if we turn it into a tag, so entire comics might show up in there - though that'll probably be fine.

nonamethanks said in forum #432523:

Because pools are lower profile than tags, and far fewer people (ab)use them. Also, currently the pool states that whole other pools should not be added to it. This will change if we turn it into a tag, so entire comics might show up in there - though that'll probably be fine.

I think the solution to potential issues with gray-area scenarios like Edgerunners would be to establish some kind of clause for cases like these in the wiki (whether that be excluding them entirely, or whatever else) and keep an eye on it. I don't think it's likely to attract major abuse, though I did have to remove an Umamusume Edgerunners parody from the pool, so that's probably the type of potential mistagging that can be expected, which I can't imagine becoming unmanageable at any point.

Taking a closer look at how the pool currently handles the gray areas as it may be helpful for brainstorming wiki-wise, it appears that it's mostly handled on an individual entry level rather than a franchise level:

cyberpunk_(series) pool:East_Meets_West is all either Western copyrights with Edgerunners or Eastern copyrights with 2077

scott_pilgrim_(series) pool:East_Meets_West is exclusively Eastern copyrights with the comics, game, or film

Hololive English was discussed in the past in topic #17505, the conclusion seems to be to treat it as Eastern due to being owned and operated by a Japanese company, which matches with hololive_english pool:East_Meets_West.

Transformers is pretty universally treated as Western by the pool: transformers pool:East_Meets_West

The only posts of the Western Sonic comics are there for another reason (one is a mass-crossover and the other features Amy).

I can't think of any other similar examples to look at.