alphashitlord said:
In all fairness I initially proposed (tenshi_kaiwai) for Lia's outfit, and as I said in forum #350275 I added BURs for both to see which qualifier people preferred more. That being said what would would be a good replacement? (Nth_default) could work since vtubers changing their default model isn't as common as merely debuting a new outfit, so it's not as likely to suffer the same problems that (Nth_costume) qualifiers are (especially since both are intended as placeholders anyways).
Well, one of the main issues is how we'd reconcile it with the current usage of (old_design). With the exception of forum #323349, (old_design) is mutually exclusive with (1st_costume), and the former comes before the latter organizationally, so if we're dealing with the renamed (old_design) tags, we also have to deal with the renamed (1st_costume) tags.
That brings up back to the main reason we've avoided dealing with the issue of defaults, the variability of the 1st costume: as I noted in forum #341626, "while default = original = regular = etc aligns for some VTubers, it doesn't for others. You can't use "original" for VTubers with (old_design) costume tags like Suisei, etc., you can't use [just] "default" for VTubers who have changed defaults after getting a significant surplus of costumes such as AZKi, some Niji and VSPO VTubers, and even then using "default" means that we'd be forced to do upkeep if they switch to a new default, so there's no one good alternative for (1st_costume)." This ends up applying to any additional defaults a VTuber might theoretically get too, and not just that, but situations where they decide a costume they had already gotten would be their new default. (nth_default) would not be helpful at all because, just like the arguments against (nth_costume), you're forcing people to think and check whether it is the correct costume. It'd be a meaningless change.
So, ultimately, doing anything to address the defaults would require establishing a proper naming scheme that accounts for the above situations in a consistent fashion (and also addresses the fact that the (nth_costume) format did not appear from thin air, it is quite literally Nanashi Inc.'s standard, so to a degree that format is not as placeholdery as some would argue), and so far, no one has been willing to try and figure that out. It's just easier to figure things out for the non-defaults instead, you get more progress done as long as you're willing to think beyond "wiki claims this, must be right then".
