Kantai Collection alternate costume tags

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BUR #46414 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication naganami_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> naganami_(kancolle)
create implication naganami_kai_ni_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> naganami_(kancolle)
create implication richelieu_deux_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> richelieu_(kancolle)

New CGs introduced tonight.

Below is Naganami's base/Kai swimsuit CG is somewhat different (especially since it has a skirt), thus the separation.

Updated by MaskedAvenger

MaskedAvenger said:

BUR #46414 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication naganami_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> naganami_(kancolle)
create implication naganami_kai_ni_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> naganami_(kancolle)
create implication richelieu_deux_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> richelieu_(kancolle)

New CGs introduced tonight.

Below is Naganami's base/Kai swimsuit CG is somewhat different (especially since it has a skirt), thus the separation.

Minor correction, but Richie's new swimsuit should imply to Richelieu Deux (Kancolle) rather than base Richelieu. She already has a swimsuit skin for her base level, and the skin itself specifies it goes to Deux.

Historyanon said:

Minor correction, but Richie's new swimsuit should imply to Richelieu Deux (Kancolle) rather than base Richelieu. She already has a swimsuit skin for her base level, and the skin itself specifies it goes to Deux.

Quoting Evasion on forum #328460:

Finally, I think outfit tags for remodeled (kai) versions of a character should imply the base character tag, not the kai tag. Look at Nevada. The base tag has five subtags. But then you click Nevada Kai and see it has eight more subtags, hidden from initial view. This is a mess, they should all just be listed under the main tag and Nevada Kai should be reserved for the base remodeled form.

MaskedAvenger said:

Quoting Evasion on forum #328460:

I personally don't think it makes sense to imply a costume to a form that cannot obtain that costume, an argument I see is common among several other comments below that statement. But, if that's the official directive, then Richie Deux's other tags both need to be fixed, as they both (rightfully) implicate Deux rather than the base tag. Not to mention many other shipgirls like Shigure, etc.

I feel like Evasion's complaint makes more sense as being against only listing the Kai costumes on the Kai wiki pages rather than listing them all on the main wiki pages. That is perfectly fair and something I've worked on doing while fixing the wiki pages. But if there's a costume that's only available at Kai or Kai Ni, then it makes no sense not to imply said costume to the Kai or Kai Ni form. The only thing accomplished by implying them only to the base form is ensuring that the Kai/Kai Ni form goes undertagged.

Historyanon said:

But, if that's the official directive, then Richie Deux's other tags both need to be fixed, as they both (rightfully) implicate Deux rather than the base tag. Not to mention many other shipgirls like Shigure, etc.

The earlier implications for Richelieu Deux were made before Evasion's comment. Also, Shigure's for example are somewhat a case-to-case basis because of some posts of base Shigure "cosplaying" her upgraded self with one example pointed out earlier in this thread and post #8886268.

NNT may give a comment surrounding this current concern, but ultimately, Evasion should be the one to clear his earlier comment up before changing this current impending request and moving some BURs already in place.

Updated by MaskedAvenger

Historyanon said:

I feel like Evasion's complaint makes more sense as being against only listing the Kai costumes on the Kai wiki pages rather than listing them all on the main wiki pages. That is perfectly fair and something I've worked on doing while fixing the wiki pages.

Personally I'm of the opinion that one shouldn't have to dive down a chain of wiki pages to determine if a new alternate costume is official and which one it is. I agree that they probably shouldn't be in the same list as the base form's skins, but to not have them listed at all is a little inconvenient.

FubukiKai said:

Personally I'm of the opinion that one shouldn't have to dive down a chain of wiki pages to determine if a new alternate costume is official and which one it is. I agree that they probably shouldn't be in the same list as the base form's skins, but to not have them listed at all is a little inconvenient.

That's not really my argument, though? I fully agree that all skins for a shipgirl should be listed on the wiki of that shipgirl's base form, so as to make them easy to find. My argument is that if a skin is specific enough to be for an upgraded form, then it should imply that upgraded form (which in turn implies the base form), because not doing so could easily lead to people forgetting to add said tag for the upgraded form.

It's not too big an issue with the regular Kancolle uploaders (my continued frustration with people forgetting to tag Fletcher Kai (Kancolle) notwithstanding), but for a non-regular or someone rushing though the tagging process, it's easy to miss.

Costumes of variants should imply their respective variants only if there's something in common between them - that is, if you can tell that the costume is actually of the variant and not the base form.

What justifies implying richelieu_deux_(winter)_(kancolle) and the rest of these variant costumes to the deux variant rather than the base tag? What's the common thing they all share? That's what you should be asking yourself before you submit a request for implications that go more than one layer deep.

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