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Should imminent rape/after rape also imply rape? Presumably assisted rape might be used with those.
Spatula22 said:
Should imminent rape/after rape also imply rape? Presumably assisted rape might be used with those.
If we're keeping the different time states discrete, as we should, then because assisted rape is used with imminent rape and after rape (being used more vaguely than "assisted current rape"), we should not have this implication. Take a look at post #7275962, which is an example of "assisted imminent rape". Adding the rape tag to this post is tantamount to making imminent rape imply rape.
This is a classic example of something seems like it makes sense at first glance when, in reality, a quick analysis exposes fundamental flaws we must avoid.
Kaleidoscoped said:
if i were someone who wishes to avoid rape content, i would also seek to avoid the before and after states. i actually didn't notice those weren't implied up until now.
It wouldn’t make sense to tag rape on something like post #3403729, where the intentions are clear, but nothing has actually happened yet.
Kaleidoscoped said:
if i were someone who wishes to avoid rape content, i would also seek to avoid the before and after states. i actually didn't notice those weren't implied up until now.
That's not how we tag things on Danbooru. Tags are meant to be precise and they often have a ton of purpose in their existence (like imminent rape not implying rape, the point is they are subtly different), and even though it may seem unintuitive that "imminent rape isn't rape", if someone wanted to remove any rape-related content, they would have to blacklist all three tags. Oh well.
The idea of this is that assisted rape should, in principle, imply some form of rape, whether imminent, current, or after, but we cannot reasonably "enforce" this via an implication on Danbooru.
loopsi17 said:
if someone wanted to remove any rape-related content, they would have to blacklist all three tags. Oh well.
Four tags, actually. Not including rape-adjacent material like molestation. But this sounds more an argument for implementing wildcard support in blacklists rather than overextending tag definitions.
Also, slightly off topic, but a feature to populate blacklists with a set of predetermined tags related to certain material so the user doesn’t have to hunt all of them down would be nice to have.
i think it's a little silly to say that "rape is only rape when the penetration or sex act is actively occurring". things like post #9485319, post #9290487, post #8948190, and so on (imminent rape is absolutely full of these) are really imminent penetration posts in disguise, there's nothing "imminent" about the rape there. the kind of post that i would legitimately tag imminent rape is along the lines of what blank user posted.
but i figure this is verging into a complex definition rewriting / mistagging issue, so i'll agree to disagree in advance.
Kaleidoscoped said:
i think it's a little silly to say that "rape is only rape when the penetration or sex act is actively occurring". things like post #9485319, post #9290487, post #8948190, and so on (imminent rape is absolutely full of these) are really imminent penetration posts in disguise, there's nothing "imminent" about the rape there. the kind of post that i would legitimately tag imminent rape is along the lines of what blank user posted.
but i figure this is verging into a complex definition rewriting / mistagging issue, so i'll agree to disagree in advance.
Your first part will have to remain a personal gripe, because the very existence of the tags imminent rape and after rape are based upon the time that the act occurs. This is how the tags were designed around the tag rape.
I understand your point about Blank User's example seeming much better than many other examples of imminent rape, but this is just due to the nature of how tagging images works. We are not going to go on a crusade and "fix" everything to what it "should" be based only upon the spirit of the tag. The posts you sent fit the definition of the tag on the wiki: the penetration has not happened yet. This is how it will stay.
I do agree that there is definitely some overlap between imminent rape and rape + imminent penetration, but they are not the same thing, and "fixing" this isn't really worth the time (it's okay to have a little bit of overlap here and there). Sometimes the rape is penetrative, sometimes it's not: an example is post #540054.
well, i'm going to partially take back the first post i made in this thread. the potential problems with tagging things like post #8916972 or post #980217 with the rape tag didn't occur to me at the time. i was focusing more on the "she's fully nude and surrounded by penises but no penetration yet or it has just finished, so who's to say really" posts. i still think it's a little ridiculous but like i said, gonna have to agree to disagree.
about the implication that started this thread, i'm trying to look at assisted rape posts that could not be plausibly tagged rape (even using my desired definition). post #93239 is the only one that really comes to mind from a quick glance over the tag.
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