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I feel like the discussion is being overly technical for its own sake rather than focusing on practicality. Yes, there are connections between the two, but they're effectively separate franchises, with neither treated as a spinoff of the other. I don't see any tagging problem to be solved here.
Knowledge_Seeker said in forum #424706:
Honestly, I think DK is very much a similar case actually. While the character himself doesn't appear in most mainline Mario games, you can bet there have been tons of little references to Mario in the Donkey Kong series ever since the very beginning (such as Cranky alluding to the original arcade game). All this seems to treat the series as another section of the Mario vein, with Banzana becoming the logical conclusion to this.
All of this points to a canonical (at least as far as one can get with Mario) stance that the two series are not exactly distant spin-offs, and are in fact intended to be taken together. If Warioware was divorced from its Mario context outside the title character, very little would change about it. But if one tried to do the same with Donkey Kong, a lot would become missing.
Is the problem here really "I don't want King K. Rool in my Mario search" ultimately? Because I don't think that's a very good argument against implication.
But those references exist because these two series share a common origin. Regardless if they share the same universe, regardless if Cranky Kong was the ape in the original 1981 arcade game, these series are now distinct from each other. You can perceive these distinctions through themes, characters, games, and others. Even if Donkey Kong Bananza shares the same gameplay style as Super Mario Odyssey, the former still greatly references the Donkey Kong Country games more so than any Mario game.
As another example, look at Final Fight and Street Fighter. Final Fight was meant to be a sequel to Street Fighter I during its development, but multiple differences made the development team reconsider that approach. Multiple Final Fight characters are playable in the Street Fighter series nowadays and the two series are entirely connected, but we still don't imply Final Fight -> Street Fighter.
rainyd said in forum #424836:
As another example, look at Final Fight and Street Fighter. Final Fight was meant to be a sequel to Street Fighter I during its development, but multiple differences made the development team reconsider that approach. Multiple Final Fight characters are playable in the Street Fighter series nowadays and the two series are entirely connected, but we still don't imply Final Fight -> Street Fighter.
I don't think that's as good of a comparison as you might think it is, given that it's been 20 years since the last Final Fight game released, and the main representation the franchise has had since then has been mainly in Street Fighter. One could easily make the argument that they should be implied now.
Damian0358 said in forum #424842:
I don't think that's as good of a comparison as you might think it is, given that it's been 20 years since the last Final Fight game released, and the main representation the franchise has had since then has been mainly in Street Fighter. One could easily make the argument that they should be implied now.
Oh yeah, I'm aware, I can hardly think of any other series that share an origin, but grow to have their own identity; Maybe Raving Rabbids and Rayman?
But you still have to acknowledge that, in the case with Final Fight and Street Fighter, the argument for an implication is at least valid: No new games released in the last 20 years for the former, with the vast majority of the cast appearing on Street Fighter instead. Quite the opposite with what happens to Donkey Kong and Mario, where the vast majority of the characters reservedly appear in their respective series instead.
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AngryZapdos said in forum #424631:
Yes. I think we should be tagging Donkey Kong characters as donkey_kong_(series) regardless of what game is being depicted.
I think this is the more sensible option for us.
As for the implication, I'm not well-versed enough in the scriptures to know, but seems everyone hates the idea of donkey kong -> mario, so I'll reject it.
I agree that if we put it all together it starts getting closer to Nintendo as an umbrella tag (which others have argued for in the past, in fact).
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