May I ask, does a large part of Yuusha de Aru transformation form costume treated as non-magical girl if this definition applied?
Because in Yuusha de Aru series the Mankai transformation form looked more power armor and scifi outlook while some of basic transformation form like Miyoshi Karin and Inubouzaki Itsuki looked less so but somewhat lean more to common magical girl design.
I'm being conservative here but I think there are unseen result for changing tag for case like Symphogear regardless of good or bad. Soon other people will begin to question why in other franchises where magical girl transformation form looked more like a power suit design or even slightly so still get treated as magical girl due to their existing tagging for a long time.
I don't know if people might get into constant quarrel over tagging and definition or not but I think it might happen because in some people perception they might not care even if some franchise is not classified as magical girl genre in Japan.
May I ask, does a large part of Yuusha de Aru transformation form costume treated as non-magical girl if this definition applied?
I'm not very familiar with the work Yuusha de Aru, but these Mankai transformation form, at least in my opinion, haven't deviated too much from the traditional magical girl. The designs feels leaning more towards fantasy elements than technological elements.
Of course, no matter how we define the concepts, there will always be some boundary cases that rely heavily on subjective judgment, but I think the concepts of these 'non-traditional magical girl' I am seeking to outline here still offers a degree of distinction and is worth distinguishing.
Is it really right to be mass moving posts of Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon characters from magical girl to henshin heroine? It's one of the most iconic magical girl shows of all time with character designs that definitely have a magical girl feel to them? It's really hard for me to see how stuff like post #11213570 and post #11222810 belongs in the same tag.
Seconding, Sailor Moon is THE magical girl show. If I searched magical girl and missed posts from it because she isn't wearing a pink dress I'd be disappointed.
Yeah no sorry, we're not doing this, this is stupid. If you want a subtag for mechanical or non-traditional or specific variants of magical girls you'll have to create a subtag that has an understandable name and will be implied to magical girl, otherwise you're just fragmenting this huge tag for no good reason.
If you want a subtag for mechanical or non-traditional or specific variants of magical girls you'll have to create a subtag that has an understandable name and will be implied to magical girl, otherwise you're just fragmenting this huge tag for no good reason.
I agree with that, but I haven't come up with a very suitable term yet. That's why some discussion is needed.
Regarding the issue of fragmentation, as you can see, people who don't think the two kinds should be grouped together do exist.
I don't know who did the previous update. I personally agree that Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon does belong to magical girl genre, their design basically follows the traditional magical girl style. Though strictly speaking, their fighting style is somewhat deviated from the norm because it is too action-oriented. But as long as we acknowledge that magical girl is a visual tag, fighting style becomes irrelevant and they will be perfectly fine, while those who look completely different like post #11222810 should be tagged differently.
The core issue now is how to define the differences between the two as clearly as possible so that everyone can distinguish between these two categories. Personally, while I can't explicitly articulate the core differences in their concepts, I can definitely tell them apart just by looking at them. However, this intuitive distinction may depend on cultural background and might not carry much objective value. Such intuition might also prevent me from coming up with some obvious solutions, so any opinions and discussions are welcome.
Tags on Pixiv can sometimes be helpful, since they limit you to 10 tags, so when one can use a more specific subtag (like magical girl or giantess) for their work, they tend to avoid the more vague tag "henshin heroine". Therefore, works using the "henshin heroine" tag naturally belong to that other category. However, this judgment is not absolute, since the use of tags on pixiv is quite chaotic.
The core issue now is how to define the differences between the two as clearly as possible so that everyone can distinguish between these two categories. Personally, while I can't explicitly articulate the core differences in their concepts, I can definitely tell them apart just by looking at them. However, this intuitive distinction may depend on cultural background and might not carry much objective value. Such intuition might also prevent me from coming up with some obvious solutions, so any opinions and discussions are welcome.
Tags on Pixiv can sometimes be helpful, since they limit you to 10 tags, so when one can use a more specific subtag (like magical girl or giantess) for their work, they tend to avoid the more vague tag "henshin heroine". Therefore, works using the "henshin heroine" tag naturally belong to that other category. However, this judgment is not absolute, since the use of tags on pixiv is quite chaotic.
What I'd suggest to you is that you create a favorite group (instructions here), or multiple if need be, where you attempt to categorize the subtype(s) with as many sampler images as possible. After you do that, you can share it here and we can discuss/dissect what you've collected, and try to figure out a name that makes sense.
What I'd suggest to you is that you create a favorite group (instructions here), or multiple if need be, where you attempt to categorize the subtype(s) with as many sampler images as possible. After you do that, you can share it here and we can discuss/dissect what you've collected, and try to figure out a name that makes sense.
I've been focusing on cleaning up the visor and visor_lift tag recently(topic #36196), I might try that after I've finished those. However, that's somewhat related to this topic too.
Those borderless, transparent visor is one of the most common visual characteristics for "henshin heroine", and it's difficult to definitively categorize it as simply rimless eyewear or Head-mounted display (in most cases, you can't be sure if it actually has heads-up display function or is just a simple colored goggles).
I've been focusing on cleaning up the visor tag recently(topic #36196), I might try that after I've finished those. However, that's somewhat related to this topic too.
Those borderless, transparent visor is one of the most common visual characteristics for "henshin heroine", and it's difficult to definitively categorize it as simply rimless eyewear or Head-mounted display (in most cases, you can't be sure if it actually has heads-up display function or is just a simple colored goggles).
Based on my recent review, it's not uncommon for transparent devices to be tagged as head-mounted displays. For example, half of the posts on symmetra_(overwatch) have head-mounted display tag. On the other hand, many of these devices do actually have some displaying function like heads-up display, especially considering the tactical/sci-fi settings of most henshin heroines. Currently, we don't have a dedicated tag for these devices (we have augmented_reality, but that tag primarily describes the AR effect itself, not the device).
Anyway, we've gone off-topic. Might need to propose a new tag for it in another topic later.
What I'd suggest to you is that you create a favorite group (instructions here), or multiple if need be, where you attempt to categorize the subtype(s) with as many sampler images as possible. After you do that, you can share it here and we can discuss/dissect what you've collected, and try to figure out a name that makes sense.
I found a rough but simple method: just search for magical_girl headgear and browse through the posts listed, and you'll get a rough understanding of the genre I'm referring to.
(Of course, I'm not saying they all necessarily wear headgear, but there's definitely some certain unified design language among them.)
