Excessive post of same character

ANON_TOKYO said in forum #443486:

Uh yeah no. BA gets enough art that you can deal with coming across some tachi-e sets every now and then, this isn't comparable to the Chaos;Head situation at all. Blacklist it if you want.

Who cares if it's comparable? It was unacceptable when it was happening to Touhou, it's unacceptable that it's happening to Chaos;Head, and it's just as unacceptable that it's happening to Blue Archive.

It's already been stated by the admins that Danbooru was not meant to host thousands of nearly identical tachi-e posts. We are not going to play this stupid, "It's fine when THIS USER does it, just blacklist it if it bothers you" while threatening other users with consequences for doing it, when the only people it's not upsetting are the ones doing it.

Blacklisted posts aren't removed from the search. It's still whole pages that are either tachi-e spam or completely empty. Touhou searches constantly hit Dairi posts, and that tag is enormous. The less popular the character, the worse it affects them.

blindVigil said in forum #443488:

Who cares if it's comparable?

That's... how discussion work? The issue was some copytags being mostly this kind of spam, BA is not.

It was unacceptable when it was happening to Touhou

Some people didn't parcirularly like it but it was at the very least tolerated.

it's unacceptable that it's happening to Chaos;Head

Because it's already a tiny copytag that's now 50% spam posted by serial sockpuppeteer.

and it's just as unacceptable that it's happening to Blue Archive.

The scale being a lot smaller makes it significantly less impactful.

It's already been stated by the admins that Danbooru was not meant to host thousands of nearly identical tachi-e posts. We are not going to play this stupid, "It's fine when THIS USER does it, just blacklist it if it bothers you" while threatening other users with consequences for doing it, when the only people it's not upsetting are the ones doing it.

Who does it generally doesn't matter, the Chaos;Head stuff is special because it's by the aforementioned sockpuppeteer, making it more akin to actual spam. The bar for how much is "acceptable" will probably remain vague, but most people can probably agree that 0.5% of the tag is sufficiently small that you won't run into it that much.

ANON_TOKYO said in forum #443486:

Uh yeah no. BA gets enough art that you can deal with coming across some tachi-e sets every now and then, this isn't comparable to the Chaos;Head situation at all. Blacklist it if you want.

It's the same shit. Why is every one else having to "deal with" one user being a weirdo?

evazion said in forum #439750:

No one wants this. Everyone hates it.

Danbooru is fundamentally not designed for this.

Lemme put this as simply as possible.

The tachi-e spam is bad. It needs to stop being a thing that people are allowed to do. It was tolerated when it happened to Touhou because it was assumed it would stop eventually and we wouldn't have to see it every single day anymore, and even then evazion and NNT both identified it as spam and a stupid thing people are doing to bloat their numbers.

But it hasn't stopped. It just moved on to other copyrights. It's going to keep happening until we stop letting people do it. There are better sites that exist for this exact purpose. Hosting thousands of nearly identical tachi-es is not Danbooru's purpose.

You can't just make arbitrary rules about which copyrights are allowed to suffer this because they're bigger, while issuing out threats and punishments because one copyright is more affected than others. It's a negative experience for everyone that has to deal with it. It doesn't matter if the perpetrator is a ban evading nuisance or a decade old contributor/approver. They shouldn't be allowed to spam the site with shit that's just annoying everybody.

ANON_TOKYO said in forum #443489:

Who does it generally doesn't matter, the Chaos;Head stuff is special because it's by the aforementioned sockpuppeteer, making it more akin to actual spam. The bar for how much is "acceptable" will probably remain vague, but most people can probably agree that 0.5% of the tag is sufficiently small that you won't run into it that much.

Putting aside whether or not spamming a big tag is more acceptable than spamming a small tag, it should be noted that the sprite variant spam is not just limited to whatever character or copyright it is a part of, it also affects whatever general tags are included in these dumps.

This is especially bad for smaller general tags like gun sling which for a good 10 pages straight is flooded with tachi-e spam, and keep in mind that is just one example among many general tags which have had their basic searchability needlessly hindered because of this nonsense.

I have to agree with blind here, even though I often do not.

We should not start permanently deleting assets left and right. It's permanent, meaning it should only be done as a last resort. I don't even agree with the Onoe Serika tachi-e assets being wiped out even though I know that was a special case.

If we want to discourage people from posting large tachi-e sets while keeping the rules consistent, one thing we could do is classify them as borderline content. This will let the Approvers take into consideration the size and variety in the sets before approving without prohibiting them entirely. Then we can go through the largest sets with the least variation and soft delete most of the images in each one. That will remove them from the search as long as the user isn't searching for deleted posts.

The downside is that it will affect the deletion ratio of some users, though if we consider these low-effort uploads, it might be an appropriate consequence. Though I would feel bad for the lower-ranked members who were uploading the dairi sets to get promoted since they were doing so because an Approver put out that bounty.

I agree with blind too, having some random autists decide they want to flood the site with near-identical posts to boost their upload count is a pretty poor browsing experience regardless of whether it's happening to a 400k post tag or a 1k post tag. I'd be pretty pissed if I was trying to scroll through a tag I like and every 10th page was just entirely the same image. The "nobody wants this" doesn't stop applying just because the tag is larger.

Blank_User said in forum #443527:

If we want to discourage people from posting large tachi-e sets while keeping the rules consistent, one thing we could do is classify them as borderline content. This will let the Approvers take into consideration the size and variety in the sets before approving without prohibiting them entirely. Then we can go through the largest sets with the least variation and soft delete most of the images in each one. That will remove them from the search as long as the user isn't searching for deleted posts.

The downside is that it will affect the deletion ratio of some users, though if we consider these low-effort uploads, it might be an appropriate consequence. Though I would feel bad for the lower-ranked members who were uploading the dairi sets to get promoted since they were doing so because an Approver put out that bounty.

I'm not convinced that moving them into borderline content will affect how approvers view them. Approval is already done on a "what you like" basis. Deleting them also doesn't help much given how deleted posts work (still taking slots up in a page, but not being shown).

Maybe I just use the site in a weird way but not once have I been browsing and been particularly bothered at a few (or a bunch of) variant sets (excluding seeing the sockpuppet spam in queue).

Also moving a type of content that is perfectly fine on its own without surrounding context to "borderline" is never going to work. All other borderline content pertains to individual images, making something borderline because someone posted a bunch of variants is illogical.

Well same because I don't browse BA or Touhou but if someone started dumping every single variant of every character sprite in Arknights I'd be pissed off about it too.

Talulah said in forum #443531:

Deleting them also doesn't help much given how deleted posts work (still taking slots up in a page, but not being shown).

Was this always the case? I could've sworn deleted posts were removed from the search and that it was only banned/censored posts that took up slots. Maybe I never noticed because I've had my post max set to 200 for a while. But I checked and you're right; deleted posts do take up a slot, so deleting them wouldn't solve the problem in the way I was thinking.

Blank_User said in forum #443539:

Was this always the case? I could've sworn deleted posts were removed from the search and that it was only banned/censored posts that took up slots. Maybe I never noticed because I've had my post max set to 200 for a while. But I checked and you're right; deleted posts do take up a slot, so deleting them wouldn't solve the problem in the way I was thinking.

There used to be a setting that hid them automatically but that was removed some years ago. It basically just did -status:deleted on every search.

Blank_User said in forum #443539:

But I checked and you're right; deleted posts do take up a slot, so deleting them wouldn't solve the problem in the way I was thinking.

Permanent deletions remove the space the deleted post takes up from the search, right? Could be a good way to clean up the spam if so, especially given we already have precedent for it seeing as how it recently happened with the ban evading spammer.

Calling a single instance "precedent" might be stretching things a bit, especially considering multiple people have voiced their surprise at how extraordinary of a move that was. Normally spam is dealt with by just deleting it, sometimes it's banned if it's particularly bad. Both of these still take up "space" in the serach though.

voiceofthecold said in forum #443601:

Permanent deletions remove the space the deleted post takes up from the search, right? Could be a good way to clean up the spam if so, especially given we already have precedent for it seeing as how it recently happened with the ban evading spammer.

Context: The admin who did the deletions said "We dont negotiate with [blank]" and that they disliked they had to do it. I don’t believe their position is to go on a deletion spree for all the still existing tachi-e. Its just for the one particular user.

You're allowed to say the word "terrorist". Still though, yeah, I doubt the intention was to set a precent to start deleting stuff we don't like.