Oh wow, a broken forum shouldn't be so funny, but I just had a hearty chuckle at the chaos you caused.
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Fencedude said:
The reason we are cracking down on silly pool themes is because as things stand now, pools are very intrusive, and having a post be part of more than one pool starts to seriously clutter the interface. There are certainly ways around this, but they don't exist yet.
Agreed, though I think enforcing a draconian policy to bypass UI issues doesn't help our case.
Fencedude said:
As for a "community", well...I have other places I go to discuss anime, and I don't see any real reason for us to tack on yet another anime forum...
I used to go other places, but anymore I don't have time to dedicate to places other than here. I wouldn't mind if we set up an additional forum even if it does expand and perhaps dilute our purpose. I wouldn't necessarily mind moderating such a forum, though I'm not sure how good I'd be at it. Another way to look it it also, is that the more content and socially connected our greater community is, the more motivation they have to be to be helpful and keep things running well.
Shinjidude said:
The bigger and more voluminous Danbooru gets the harder and harder it is to notice peoples' good work with tag gardening and the like. Perhaps somehow developing an interface to automatically pick out people doing good work (lots of notes, tag edits, highly rated posts in a certain time period) could help alleviate this.
You can already find worthy uploaders and translators through the user listing with appropriate ordering. I think albert did that not so long ago with translators.
Doesn't work for garderners right now however.
But I agree that some automated highlighting would probably help, given that mods+ seem unlikely to look into this by themselves atm.
Oh that's right. Haven't used that in a long time.
e: and I just remembered you can't use it for long periods.
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Anelaid said:
2.) A way to request translations outside of comments and the forum, like an option on the post to click "request translation." and this can be done at the post or pool level.
Wouldn't this just create more clutter? There's already the tag, people commenting, and the thread in the forums, of course.
I used to just translate anything and everything, but given that my time is severely limited now, I typically don't touch something unless it interests me AND I have time for it. It's more often the case that I see something I really like and wouldn't mind doing, but my schedule isn't open to such a long project... unless people don't care that it's being done piece by piece with intervals in between...
Maybe the whole "click to request" thing will work out, I dunno, but I'm concerned that people could just start flagging everything for translation, and it would end up being no different than the translation_request tag.
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I was thinking that this would be a separate system.
Being able to limit how many images you can have translation requests for at one time will help, and a way to see how many requests there are.
I'm not a translator, so I should ask, is there any way to help the translation request thread, since we have it, be more useful for translators?
Shinjidude said:
The bigger and more voluminous Danbooru gets the harder and harder it is to notice peoples' good work with tag gardening and the like. Perhaps somehow developing an interface to automatically pick out people doing good work (lots of notes, tag edits, highly rated posts in a certain time period) could help alleviate this.
The problem I've had with users being rewarded over the past year is that, more often than not, the handful of users that aimed to post good artwork or got involved with tasks like tag gardening/Wiki editing/translations etc. were overlooked in favor of those with more general uploads. This was most evident during the one tag uploading foolishness from Snesso, Mr GT and the several other users aping them until it was finally dragged into forum light by Albert for discussion.
To add more illustration to that, users that uploaded anything "good" (read: posts ending up on the Popular pages) were only noticed by the hyper competitive uploaders just looking for more posts to get their own names next to. And I should know, as it's happened to me more than enough times up to now, being frequently spotted for good uploads but rarely by anyone actually willing to acknowledge it. So the very few that actually managed to be more selective about the quality of what they uploaded hardly got a chance to upload anything at all, and subsequently got overlooked.
Maybe this is just venting from the perspective of someone who has higher standards for what the involved users here should adhere to. As far as rewarding for the simple act of posting goes, most Contributors can get away with uploading anything mediocre they find on Pixiv (then and now). So I think anyone eager to hand out positives or even promote users need to make more extensive looks into what said users do besides upload (and in one particular case, how they conduct themselves in general). And if they do upload frequently, then they need to be observed for overall quality, not overall quantity.
albert said:
The forum, ideally, should be representative of Danbooru users in general. If there's a large furry community that resents the furry ban, I want to hear from them. I want to take whatever steps are needed to lower the barrier to entry.
The question is, whom do you see as danbooru users in general? Are we talking about the 300K+ registered members who come here to look at porn and maybe throw some lols in the comments? Or are we talking about the couple hundred who care enough to post on the forum, or maybe the couple tens who read all forum topics and are up to date with everything? It's the latter two groups who actually contribute to the site, and thus it makes sense the forum is primarily operated by them, especially with our policy of "forum is for discussing the site matters, not community building".
Personally, I see danbooru as a heavily moderated collection of siqnificantly higher quality art than the average. A sort of digital museum if you wish. And that's a goal which conflicts directly with trying to have a mass appeal, or rather, reflecting directly the opinion of the majority, since the majority of users are not interested in maintaining the quality; they're coming here because the quality is already here and they can use it, not because they want to contribute.
Lately I've gotten a little worried that the forum is becoming increasingly detached from the rest of the site. It can feel a little like an echo chamber here.
There's also another way of looking at it: the rest of the site has become detached from the forum, which is where the real work happens. There are basically two places where you can see "the site" speak: forum and comments. And the comments have been pretty much retired as a venue for any sensible (and God forbid, technical) discussion, because it's been completely overrun by people blabbering about whatever, and we lack any technical means to control it in any meaningful way whatsoever. The current posting rate is several comments per second; that's not something you can use for anything but idle watercooler talk. So it's rather obvious and expected that the technical discussion would move to the forum, because comments can't be used for this purpose.
Of course, it's possible to become completely autistic the way Wikipedia has gone, and of course it's possible that this has happened already, with me being the primary bastard mod (just ask /jp/ what they think about me). But I don't think that is really the case, and I'd be very cautious about not confusing "accessible" with "run by the unwashed internet masses". I agree very much we need to make it much easier for the average new user to find out how we do things and how the whole thing works; I don't agree with the sentiment we ought to become furaffinity2 just because there more user accounts who are furries than mods. Remember that danbooru basically started as a site run by unwashed masses, and then has steadily moved towards being more and more stringent, because that's the only way that scales.