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BUR #23673 has been rejected.
create alias greyscale_with_colored_background -> monochrome_with_colored_background
Broader term, greyscale with colored background doesn't and shouldn't imply greyscale, so the name is misleading.
And you can use grey theme, blue theme etc. for the color that's monochrome.
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If it's worthwhile I wouldn't be against removing the alias afterwards to keep greyscale_with_colored_background available for, well, greyscale images with a colored background. Current it's used as a catch-all for lack of an alternative, but I don't see why it shouldn't be like greyscale and monochrome either.
monochrome_with_colored_background suggests something like monochrome pink_background such as post #7193400 could qualify, when it doesn't. greyscale with colored background is specifically for greyscale characters with a colored background.
There were also relatively few posts mistagged greyscale for a tag that's 3.4k posts big.
nonamethanks said:
monochrome_with_colored_background suggests something like monochrome pink_background such as post #7193400 could qualify, when it doesn't. greyscale with colored background is specifically for greyscale characters with a colored background.
There were also relatively few posts mistagged greyscale for a tag that's 3.4k posts big.
I can see how that may be a source of confusion, but currently the tag pulls double duty with posts like post #6948734 and post #7011402 that traditionally wouldn't fall under greyscale, but are monochromatic outside of the background.
nonamethanks said:
monochrome_with_colored_background suggests something like monochrome pink_background such as post #7193400 could qualify, when it doesn't. greyscale with colored background is specifically for greyscale characters with a colored background.
There were also relatively few posts mistagged greyscale for a tag that's 3.4k posts big.
I think it's similar to colored inner hair: It becomes more or less self-evidently obvious that the colored part is part of a different color. I doubt it'll be used when the main color is pink and the background is in pink, too. You just use monochrome there.
Provence said:
I doubt it'll be used when the main color is pink and the background is in pink, too. You just use monochrome there.
You're severely underestimating how pedantic the average builder can be.
Wouldn't that same pedanticness cause people to not tag greyscale with colored background on monochrome with colored background images because it has greyscale in the name? I'm unsure what else would be an appropriate name though, since this would also mirror greyscale/monochrome.
nonamethanks said:
You're severely underestimating how pedantic the average builder can be.
I'd say it makes more sense. And I know full-well how bad tags get bend and misused.
If people are pedantic about it, it needs to be tag gardened and perhaps written down in the wiki if the usage is unclear.
In other words, slamming down a bur that makes sense because taggers MIGHT be too pedantic, is not a good argument.
Provence said:
And you can use grey theme, blue theme etc. for the color that's monochrome.
I'm not really sure I got this part?
岩戸鈴芽 said:
I can see how that may be a source of confusion, but currently the tag pulls double duty with posts like post #6948734 and post #7011402 that traditionally wouldn't fall under greyscale, but are monochromatic outside of the background.
I don't think this is a problem. post #6948734 shouldn't ne tagged greyscale with colored background in the first place, post #7011402 qualifies as greyscale imo. If you haven’t noticed monochrome linearts of black lines and white interior are greyscale, compared to monochrome linearts of another color. See greyscale lineart and greyscale high_contrast.
nonamethanks said:
greyscale with colored background is specifically for greyscale characters with a colored background.
This. Just pick out the few edge cases and create a new tag for them. Don't broaden something that was perfectly fine.
Related. There is also sepia background for variant of monochrome backgrounds like these:
post #7201885, post #4292311, post #7427304, post #7098156, post #4383492 etc.
I think the usage should be revised and gardened out so it will not be applied to random blank, gradient or patterned (light) brown backgrounds.
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magcolo said:
I'm not really sure I got this part?
Use blue_theme for everything on the foreground.
Use pink_background for the colored background.
Therefore you have a monochromatic blue piece but with a pink background for some reason.
magcolo said:
I'm not really sure I got this part?
I don't think this is a problem. post #6948734 shouldn't ne tagged greyscale with colored background in the first place, post #7011402 qualifies as greyscale imo.
That's the problem, with the current name and deifnition it shouldn't, but it's being used for that because we lack a "monochrome with colored background tag". It makes sense to either broaden the current tag or create a new one with an implication just like greyscale -> monochrome. I personally would definitely not tag post #7011402 as greyscale.
BUR #23750 has been rejected.
create implication greyscale_with_colored_background -> monochrome_with_colored_background
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The bulk update request #23750 (forum #270653) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.
So in the doomed thread that is topic #27152, sepia background got brought up, which basically ended up being beige background 2.0, so I submitted a deprecation request for it in there (forum #279284). However, it got brought up in forum #279285 that there are some posts out there that I think were what this tag was trying to be in theory (which can best be summed up as something like the inverse of greyscale with colored background + sepia), but ended up overwhelmed by in practice from all the people using a non-standard color tag in disguise.
I personally do think the concept is worth tagging however, so...Is there any way we can come to an actual conclusion about not just that tag but about greyscale with colored background in and of itself? Feels like its own can of worms.
