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  • ID: 1834099
  • Uploader: monhan »
  • Date: over 10 years ago
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hijiri byakuren and morichika rinnosuke (touhou) drawn by haru_no_hito

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  • 【東方4コマ】 Eat the meet

    既刊「喰い死ーヌ」より掲載。こんなネタですが心綺楼に編み笠白蓮さん登場記念。前々から似合うと思っていたので嬉しいところ。

    【Touhou 4koma】 Eat the meet

    From my previous book 「Diening」.
    It's this kind of story, Miss Byakuren with her straw hat from her announcement for Hopeless Masquerade.
    I've always thought it'll look good on her so that made me happy.

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    monhan
    over 10 years ago
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    So, today's topic is eating meat.
    As you can see, some teachings in Buddhism allows the eating of meat with those circumstances.
    Now for the other vegans here, what do you think about it? Is it acceptable or not?

    Come and discuss in the comments.

    Updated by monhan over 10 years ago

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    Diabolicwave
    over 10 years ago
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    monhan said:

    So, today's topic is eating meat.
    As you can see, some teachings in Buddhism allows the eating of meat with those circumstances.
    Now for the other vegans here, what do you think about it? Is it acceptable or not?

    Come and discuss in the comments.

    I'm not a vegan but this is a common religious practice in China where the monks that travel would get offerings of meat during a particular journey they must take. They must bring only the clothes on their back,a walking stick, a bowl, and chopsticks.

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    FRien
    over 10 years ago
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    monhan said:

    So, today's topic is eating meat.
    As you can see, some teachings in Buddhism allows the eating of meat with those circumstances.
    Now for the other vegans here, what do you think about it? Is it acceptable or not?

    Come and discuss in the comments.

    Eating meat means accepting your place as the alpha predator. Therefore, by refusing to eat meat, you are denying your place as the pinnacle of the food chain, and therefore admit your wimpy inferiority, and it proves that Jenny was right to never go out with you during high school.
    Or maybe you don't like meat.

    Theses rules look like they can easily be abused, which bothers me a bit.

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    Paz Legalces
    over 10 years ago
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    FRien said:

    Theses rules look like they can easily be abused, which bothers me a bit.

    Given the limitation of rules interpret through verbal contexts, any rule can be abused with technicalities
    ...but by choosing to willingly knowing and abusing the rules of the precept, one has already violate the spirit and intention of it
    Abusing rules with technicalities and you can get away with it safe and sound in life... but you would probably go nowhere in the path of spiritually (in this case for the topic of pic: Buddhism)

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    fuzzygnome
    over 10 years ago
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    The rules given are about intent, not actions. So consistently showing up on meat day, with the knowledge and intent that people will learn to prepare an extra serving of meat for you, is against the rules.

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    FRien
    over 10 years ago
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    fuzzygnome said:

    The rules given are about intent, not actions. So consistently showing up on meat day, with the knowledge and intent that people will learn to prepare an extra serving of meat for you, is against the rules.

    Maybe. But at the same time, Byakuren doesn't have any Buddhist power, as she's more of a magician than a nun, so she can manipulate rules all she wants, it'll never have any consequence on her.
    That's why I keep saying she's the worst touhou, as she's a manipulative bitch afraid of her own death, but people keep looking at me funny when I say so, and all they answer is "gradient hair, man".

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    krossite
    over 10 years ago
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    Well,she tried,and as long as she keep trying to be a better person,then maybe one day she'd stop trying to rules-lawyered her way out of things she didn't like and become a good Buddhist she claim to be.(I'm pretty sure only human can be a Buddhist monk,though)
    Also,gradient hair,man.

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    Paz Legalces
    over 10 years ago
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    FRien said:
    Maybe. But at the same time, Byakuren doesn't have any Buddhist power, as she's more of a magician than a nun, so she can manipulate rules all she wants, it'll never have any consequence on her.
    That's why I keep saying she's the worst touhou, as she's a manipulative bitch afraid of her own death, but people keep looking at me funny when I say so, and all they answer is "gradient hair, man".

    except for the fact that canon-wise, she practices Budhism and its precepts, avoid the consumption of alcohol and doesn't do anything that would be deserving of such a term "manipulating bitch" except for her past... which is a defining point of her backstory where she has grown out of

    Also, canon-wise within the game's text in one of the UFO endings Kanako did a check on her and cant't find any ill wills behind her heart; and Zun canonically named the ending itself as "She really is a good person"

    krossite said:
    Well,she tried,and as long as she keep trying to be a better person,then maybe one day she'd stop trying to rules-lawyered her way out of things she didn't like and become a good Buddhist she claim to be.(I'm pretty sure only human can be a Buddhist monk,though)
    Also,gradient hair,man.

    Only human can be Buddhist monk? Well since Buddhist monk is a term devise by human, for human... so unless we can find any Youkai around us and ask them to practice... oh but to bad they have all gone to Gensokyo

    All the rules lawyering and manipulative is of her past which she has grown out of... let it go

    Updated by Paz Legalces over 10 years ago

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    monhan
    over 10 years ago
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    Seems like we're getting off-tracked here...

    The purpose of the comic is to present the idea of eating meat in Buddhism.
    Byakuren is just used to convey that since she's the only proper monk around, and it's only for jokes. No need to take it seriously.
    She was practicing Mahayana Buddhism, that strictly forbid the followers from eating meat. I doubt she'll do it, even with those rules.

    Anyway, no more need to discuss about Byakuren here. Let's talk more about the topic, shall we?
    One of the reason most vegan said they don't eat meat is because of the feeling of guilt from the death of the animals. Then there are such rules that allows Buddhist, the natural vegan, to consume meat.
    I'm just curious what'll happen if we connect these two things together. What will they say about it?

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    Diabolicwave
    over 10 years ago
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    monhan said:

    Anyway, no more need to discuss about Byakuren here. Let's talk more about the topic, shall we?

    Those that choose to be vegan and not bhuddist have a skewed view on the topic. Also those that choose to be bhuddist but not vegan have not adopted all precepts but may later. I feel those that adopt veganism for the sheer idea of harming animals is bad don't actually understand the way nature works because of the current society in which they live. The idea of bhuddism is to rid yourself of wants showing that you are bettering yourself but still feel imperfect so that there is still another aspect that you are missing in order to reach enlightenment. Veganism is an idea that shows weakness overall not strength of will nor of body. A vegan thinks that they can reach the same amount of protein intake from the vegetables they eat as they would if they eat meat. I can go further but then I would need to go into anatomy, physiology, and biology all of which vegans consider excuses. I have yet to find a vegan that would listen to all that before shutting me up in anger.

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    Why does she always come when it's meat day...
    Ching Ching
    GOOD EVENING! BEGGING MONK HERE!
    Those are...
    Oh my! Did I interrupt your dinner!!?
    In Buddhism, there is a rule called, "The Three-Fold Rule of Consuming Flesh"...
    Normally, a monk is forbidden from eating meat. However, there are exceptions, special circumstances where eating meat is forgiven.
    "One does not witness the actual killing of the animal."
    "One is not told that the meat has been specially killed (for the monk's use)."
    If by chance a begging monk received meat as an offering so that the blame of the "Eye, Ear, and Mind" doesn't apply... Along with the previous 3 rules, taken from The Rationale for the Buddha's Views on the Consumption of Meat, by Dr V. A. Gunasekara.
    ...then gratefully accepting the goodwill and life of the animal will be regarded as a good deed.
    "One does not suspect that the animal has been specially killed for one's sake."
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