I don't think we need Lycoris Recoil costume tags

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ANON TOKYO

てはいさ said in forum #439419:

A gacha costume is a gacha costume. Just because it appeared earlier doesn't change anything.

That's a ridiculous leap of logic to be making for an anime-original series.

Additionally, the wiki for Inoue Takina (Cafe Lycoreco No Seifuku Ver.) currently says:

Official alternate costume for Inoue Takina. Released as a part of collaboration with:

Which is like... no? It was just one of the costumes from the anime, that was also used for later collabs. Gacha games later them doesn't make them gacha costumes like any others, because the copyright is not a gacha in the first place. Same with the sports wear ones:

Official alternate costume of Inoue Takina, released as a part of a collaboration between Lycoris Recoil and Goddess of Victory: Nikke.

Also given you were aware of this discussion, it would've been easy to make a favgroup instead, instead of going ahead and making these tags on an incorrect premise.

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てはいさ

If the only thing that changes your mind about the "DA training wear" tags is that they were released before Nikke, then I don't know what to say.

Would you really prefer them to be tags for costumes released as collabs with the game, which would soon be forgotten by the LycoReco community? Is "Blue Pulse Bass" really a better tag than "DA training wear," even though "Blue Pulse Bass" will probably never get more posts?

The tag name "Inoue Takina (Cafe LycoReco no Seifuku ver.)" is lame, that's true. But it meets the "gacha costume" requirement.

The fact that the only thing that makes a costume acceptable as a tag is that it was *originally* released in a gacha game is absurd.

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ANON TOKYO

I don't even know what you're trying to say here, and I'm not sure you understand my original arguments. My main problem currently is that the tag names are shit and the wiksi are written like the anime doesn't exist, when this series is an anime-original. In this context it sounds like they're trying to hide that these are from the anime.

The tags themselves are like, okay? Both the kimono and sportswear tags are the kinds of tags I would want to see if the Hawaii tags get given the green light. I'd just expect them to have names and wikis that are grounded in reality. My resistence against the Hawaii tags initially is because that would imply we need to make a lot more tags, because there's plenty of other costumes getting a good amount of fanart and official art (their winter clothes and aquarium date outfits come to mind). Plus there's other characters too. The Hawaii outfits aren't special at all, so they would open the floodgates.

Also "existing costume that appeared in a gacha" and "costume explicitly made for a gacha" are obviously different in nature, c'mon.

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Toothbox

ANON_TOKYO said in forum #439418:

Wait no, I voted on these burs but now that I looked closer, @てはいさ what are you doing? The tags you're creating and the wikis you're writing are just straight up wrong:

If you aren't familiar with the copyright don't go creating random tags and wikis with wrong information.

Technically it's never seen in the anime. Chisato's and Fuki's are the only ones we see. The blue one Takina wears was first seen on a figure revealed in 2025 and releasing this month.

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ANON TOKYO

Toothbox said in forum #439427:

Technically it's never seen in the anime. Chisato's and Fuki's are the only ones we see. The blue one Takina wears was first seen on a figure revealed in 2025 and releasing this month.

That's fair, my original post didn't link to the actual tag so I updated it to link to the one that actually had a wiki.

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Talulah

てはいさ said in forum #439426:

BUR #59435 has been rejected.

mass update *(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.)* -> -*(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.)* cafe_lycoreco_uniform
mass update *(da_training_wear)_(nikke) -> -*(da_training_wear)_(nikke) da_training_wear_(lycoris_recoil)

Actually, both of these tags should be general tags, as these costumes in different color versions are worn by different characters. Same as "Lycoris uniform" or "Ama Usa An uniform"

This BUR won't work because you can't remove tags with a wildcard.

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ANON TOKYO

BUR #59464 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update nishikigi_chisato_(da_training_wear)_(nikke) -> da_training_wear_(lycoris_recoil) -nishikigi_chisato_(da_training_wear)_(nikke)
mass update inoue_takina_(da_training_wear)_(nikke) -> da_training_wear_(lycoris_recoil) -inoue_takina_(da_training_wear)_(nikke)
mass update nishikigi_chisato_(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.) -> cafe_lycoreco_uniform -nishikigi_chisato_(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.)
mass update inoue_takina_(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.) -> cafe_lycoreco_uniform -inoue_takina_(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.)
mass update kurumi_(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.)_(lycoris_recoil) -> cafe_lycoreco_uniform -kurumi_(cafe_lycoreco_no_seifuku_ver.)_(lycoris_recoil)

As above. Also this is a fine solution that also avoids all the history-rewriting with the other ones, it's what should've been done in the first place anyway.

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Hillside Moose World Funeral てはいさ Talulah
nonamethanks

Restraining chartags to gachas was always a pipe dream, and every time we let one more of these tags live the barriers develop another crack, but if, IF, we want these to stay, we need to start pinning down the rules we need to impose on ourselves to avoid having an explosion of tens of thousands of 2-post tags for every single anime in the world.

At a minimum we have to put our foot down and say that in order for a specific costume tag to be allowed, both of these conditions must be met:

  • the character must have more than 200 posts (largest page size)
  • the costume tag must have more 20 posts (default page size)

Otherwise it will truly be a floodgate with zero benefit.

I'm not a fan of gentags when trying to lump different costumes into one tag either. It's an attempt at self gaslighting, we're just kicking the can down the road, except that:

  • we also lose the ability to imply them to characters they belong to
  • they become the exception as most costumes tend to be skin tags unique to a character
  • people typically search for a specific character, not an overall costume. If someone's searching for cafe lycoreco uniform they're almost always trying to find a specific character wearing it, so they're always going to have to perform a two-tag search.

Updated by nonamethanks

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Talulah

nonamethanks said in forum #441503:

At a minimum we have to put our foot down and say that in order for a specific costume tag to be allowed:

  • the character must have more than 200 posts (largest page size)
  • the costume tag must have more 20 posts (default page size)

Otherwise it will truly be a floodgate with zero benefit.

Would this apply to all copyrights or just non-gachas? Also is this an and? Because an official costume that gets few posts for a very large character tag not people eligible to have a costume tag would be less useful. Imagine a 200-post chartag with a 20-post costume, vs a 2000-post chartag with a 5-post costume.

I agree with not liking gentags for costumes which was why I downvoted the BUR (ANON_TOKYO asked earlier in Discord so I guess I should mention it here too).

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てはいさ

nonamethanks said in forum #441503:

At a minimum we have to put our foot down and say that in order for a specific costume tag to be allowed:

  • the character must have more than 200 posts (largest page size)
  • the costume tag must have more 20 posts (default page size)

Otherwise it will truly be a floodgate with zero benefit.

I agree with that part, but I think gacha games should be subject to this as well. It's strange that the game "Neverness to Everness" has less than 800 posts, only two characters with 200+ posts (Mint, Nanally), and 13 costume tags with implications (URL), one of which only has 1 post (for a character with about 50 posts) (Chiz (Velvet Spring Day)). Otherwise, it's just weirdly selective.

I'm not a fan of gentags when trying to lump different costumes into one tag either. It's an attempt at self gaslighting, we're just kicking the can down the road, except that:

  • we also lose the ability to imply them to characters they belong to
  • they become the exception as most costumes tend to be skin tags unique to a character
  • people typically search for a specific character, not an overall costume. If someone's searching for cafe lycoreco uniform they're almost always trying to find a specific character wearing it, so they're always going to have to perform a two-tag search.

It's complicated... In official materials, this costume is worn by no less than 4 characters (in different color variants), and there is fanart featuring this costume but not featuring any of these 4 characters or their color variants

official
official
official
official
unofficial

I know that implications from character tags to general tags are not possible, but I feel like if they were, this would be a perfect example of what should get them

Similarly, "DA Training Wear" is worn by many characters. In the series, as far as I know, there are only two: Chisato and Fuki, and there's also a Nikke costume/figurine for Takina. Chisato wears red and black, Fuki wears white and blue, and Takina wears blue and black. However, there's a lot of fanart where Takina wears the same variant as Fuki.

Updated by てはいさ

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nonamethanks

てはいさ said in forum #441506:

I agree with that part, but I think gacha games should be subject to this as well. It's strange that the game "Neverness to Everness" has less than 800 posts, only two characters with 200+ posts (Mint, Nanally), and 13 costume tags with implications (URL), one of which only has 1 post (for a character with about 50 posts) (Chiz (Velvet Spring Day)). Otherwise, it's just weirdly selective.

There's no point trying to regulate gacha beyond "don't create costumes if the character has a handful of posts". They're skin-based copyrights, unlike anime which have mostly a fixed design. It's just a completely different design philosophy and perception of characters.

Talulah said in forum #441505:

Would this apply to all copyrights or just non-gachas? Also is this an and? Because an official costume that gets few posts for a very large character tag not people eligible to have a costume tag would be less useful. Imagine a 200-post chartag with a 20-post costume, vs a 2000-post chartag with a 5-post costume.

Both requirements would need to be met for a costume tag to be created.

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ANON TOKYO

Re: general costume tags

I understand that usually this "belongs" in chartags, also for searching purposes, but as てはいさ points out the kimono and training wear costumes are worn by a lot of characters, and just like Lycoris Uniform it's often used in crossover/parody/cosplay situations. Having at least these be general tags would save on quite a number of tags that only get a small number of posts. Yes, it'd mean you need a 2-tag search for specific characters, but at least it's only 2 tags (vs trying to use random elements such as the kimono or the tasuki).

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