In memory of Amuro Ray and the OG Gundam. Rest in peace. :P

Aliasoddity said:

In memory of Amuro Ray and the OG Gundam. Rest in peace. :P

haha

Death Battle has gone very far now...

In memory of Amuro Ray and the OG Gundam, disintegrated by the All Spark of the OG Transformer.

NOT defending nor condoning the results of this battle or any other battles made by Screwattack

I think just by comparing the fundamental theme between their respective franchise alone, Optimus would have won regardless of whether Amuro uses R-78 or Nu.

Transformers is a story based around what are essentially superheroes. Like Superman they are written with the mindset that a strong ideal needs a strong power behind it. Which is why these characters often can take supernovas in the face and still live, because that is the way the show/comic communicates the strength of their ideology. It's not "might makes right" but rather "right makes might".

Gundam is a war story based around puny humans, be it R-78, Nu, Zeta, Alex, Exia, Wing, Unicorn, or Barbatos, they are essentially just tanks in space with legs. Gundam's messages are constantly that while having might is awesome, shooting your mega lasers can only carry you so far and often time utilizing said might not only won't solve your problem, but will make it worse. And even when resorting to love, understanding, compromise, sacrifice, etc, you may still lose the battle but at least you will achieve what you are supposed to stand for. It's based upon the post-war Japanese "being powerful is awesome, being in a war isn't" mentality.

So when you try to compare these two and assign power levels to them, eh, Transformers is gonna win. But Gundam is going to point at Transformers and say having higher power level doesn't mean one franchise is better than another.

How is this East Meets West? Both are Japanese in origin

azurelorochi said:

So when you try to compare these two and assign power levels to them, eh, Transformers is gonna win.

How do the transformers counter the moonlight butterfly?

That just seems like an auto-win for gundam.

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Hoobajoob said:

How do the transformers counter the moonlight butterfly?

That just seems like an auto-win for gundam.

not really

Bounce792 said:

How is this East Meets West? Both are Japanese in origin

The original toy model (Battle Convoy) is Japanese (from Takara Toys's Diaclone Car-Robots line), but the Transformers series proper was commissioned by Hasbro and produced by Marvel in order to sell the rebranded toys imported from Japan. So, no, the characters and the series themselves should be considered Western.

(Especially since Marvel came up with all of the [early] series' setting and characters' biographies. Diaclone was just... a toyline, without any real characters or setting beyond what is depicted in scant short commercials.)

Something similar applies for BattleTech and their early mecha designs (the series, yes, but probably not the individual mecha unless they occur with BattleTech characters.

NNescio said:

Something similar applies for BattleTech and their early mecha designs (the series, yes, but probably not the individual mecha unless they occur with BattleTech characters.

I think BattleTech sits on a strange foundation, when you really get down to it.

BattleTech is undoubtly an American creation made by FASA Corporation. However, some of the mech designs were based on existing robot designs from Japan, such as from Crusher Joe and Macross. These were licensed from another company. FASA then realized using designs licensed from outside sources opened them up for lawsuits, so they stopped using those licensed designs and refocused their attention to their own original works.

Though if you were referring to RoboTech, then yeah. That was the flusterfuck that got FASA in trouble with Harmony Gold (and Playmates) who held the original license for those mech designs at the time. And RoboTech was basically a splice job of three unrelated series (Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada) with horrid plot and pacing.

azurelorochi said:

NOT defending nor condoning the results of this battle or any other battles made by Screwattack

I think just by comparing the fundamental theme between their respective franchise alone, Optimus would have won regardless of whether Amuro uses R-78 or Nu.

Transformers is a story based around what are essentially superheroes. Like Superman they are written with the mindset that a strong ideal needs a strong power behind it. Which is why these characters often can take supernovas in the face and still live, because that is the way the show/comic communicates the strength of their ideology. It's not "might makes right" but rather "right makes might".

Gundam is a war story based around puny humans, be it R-78, Nu, Zeta, Alex, Exia, Wing, Unicorn, or Barbatos, they are essentially just tanks in space with legs. Gundam's messages are constantly that while having might is awesome, shooting your mega lasers can only carry you so far and often time utilizing said might not only won't solve your problem, but will make it worse. And even when resorting to love, understanding, compromise, sacrifice, etc, you may still lose the battle but at least you will achieve what you are supposed to stand for. It's based upon the post-war Japanese "being powerful is awesome, being in a war isn't" mentality.

So when you try to compare these two and assign power levels to them, eh, Transformers is gonna win. But Gundam is going to point at Transformers and say having higher power level doesn't mean one franchise is better than another.

Transformers may be of super robot origin and part of their culture and mystisism and as you say, power of their ideal or good is on the super side, but everything, absolutely everyone else is real robot, remember super robot and real robot I do not know applies only to humans can be other races with robots both super and real, each gender is based on certain things that mark them as they are.