No, she (along with everyone else in the LB6 gang) doesn't need a lover, she needs a father.
I.E. normally enforces discipline + lets the children explore their own capabilities in a controlled environment with measured risks + absolute last line of security if shit really hits the fan and you didn't cause it
No, she (along with everyone else in the LB6 gang) doesn't need a lover, she needs a father.
I.E. normally enforces discipline + lets the children explore their own capabilities in a controlled environment with measured risks + absolute last line of security if shit really hits the fan and you didn't cause it
And you need to touch grass. You think Barghest has or needs a father? No, she's doesn't. You, however, are the one who needs an adult. What an a - hole for talking down Barghest like that.
Speaking of touching grass: The best catalyst for Ibuki Douji, because she carries the Kusanagi i.e. grasscutter sword, should be the cutter of the grasses that are most important to humans. That's why you should go to a farm and try to summon her while standing near a combine harvester, because cereal grains are grasses.
Also make sure you have e-books stored on your device and doge stickers on it. Because e-book-y doge-y devices are conceptually more aligned to Ibuki Douji, because English is the diplomats' language in Japan at the moment so the pun should stick.
Same reason why you should go to a German military museum and stand near a Shutenpanzer Lang with the turret removed (if one can be found in such a state) while carrying strong alcohol (distilled sake recommended) and wearing doge accessories when summoning Shuten Douji.
Seus72 said:
You think Barghest has or needs a father? No, she's doesn't.
According to her appetite problem i.e. difficulty controlling her instincts? She needs strongly enforced discipline until she learns to handle it herself. Shouldn't be too hard, Black Dogs are conceptually still associated with dogs, and dogs aren't that hard to train to control their food intake/choices. And she's about 80-90% of the way there according to her usual behaviour so not too far to go.
According to her appetite problem i.e. difficulty controlling her instincts? She needs strongly enforced discipline until she learns to handle it herself. Shouldn't be too hard, Black Dogs are conceptually still associated with dogs, and dogs aren't that hard to train to control their food intake/choices. And she's about 80-90% of the way there according to her usual behaviour so not too far to go.
I mean, ussually dogs arent cursed with a calamity. Im not sure a father figure can help that
As for any concerns of her inbuilt Horror Hunger as a Calamity of Beasts, remember that her predatory curse canonically weakens to the point she can overcome its urgings with willpower alone once the events of Lostbelt 6 finish. Nasuverse curses wear off or weaken to basically nothing once the fate they are set to bring about comes to pass. Since Lostbelt Britain was destroyed, Barghest's fate as a Calamity is done and the curse has run its course. The only reason she has any predatory urges at all is from her being born as a curse, and that doesn't stop her at all after LB6. It's why her final Ascension line changes after you clear it and she can basically ignore it when it comes up in Events or skits with a little bit of focus.
Her big appetite for normal food is just from her being a non-human creature that needs lots of fuel and doesn't feed on magical energy-rich sources like blood or souls.
It's why her final Ascension line changes after you clear it and she can basically ignore it when it comes up in Events or skits with a little bit of focus.
I kind of realized later that the idea of "If your dog tries to be aggressive toward your family members, you need to beat the hell out of it (to death if necessary) to enforce upon it the pack hierarchy and acceptable behaviour, or it WILL try to bully the smaller family members (i.e. bite children)." is basically what we did with Barghest.
She kind of remembers us violently putting an end to her uncontrolled state. So we ALREADY thrashed her into keeping her instincts (more like habits in Servant form) under control. That's well within rounding error of "Unless it flares up again at some point, it's no issue anymore".
I kind of realized later that the idea of "If your dog tries to be aggressive toward your family members, you need to beat the hell out of it (to death if necessary) to enforce upon it the pack hierarchy and acceptable behaviour, or it WILL try to bully the smaller family members (i.e. bite children)." is basically what we did with Barghest.
She kind of remembers us violently putting an end to her uncontrolled state. So we ALREADY thrashed her into keeping her instincts (more like habits in Servant form) under control. That's well within rounding error of "Unless it flares up again at some point, it's no issue anymore".
Setting aside the idea of beating a dog to death rather than training it in other ways...
Her Calamity status is not just instinct, it's a curse that literally strips her of personal agency when it flares up around those she loves enough until she gives in to her madness and transforms into a killing machine and Fairy Britain is dead. That's her entire purpose for being born into the world, unable to stop herself because that's how curses work in the Nasuverse. Agency and control are stripped in some manner to force a fated circumstance or act. Unlike most settings, curses in the Nasuverse setting can't be broken by will or power alone, only moved to a new bearer or fulfilled. Since Barghest is effectively a living curse against Fairy Britain itself, she doesn't even have the option to move her curse to another and her fate is not under her control. Her entire life was her fighting her fate like a hero and eventually losing.
Calling her cursed madness something that was beaten out of her like a dog's aggression misses the entire tragedy of her fated purpose vs. her actual (good) character. Her time as a Servant is a chance to live as she wants instead of being fated to destroy her home regardless of her wishes now that her curse can no longer override her will. Her curse's conditions are fulfilled (she ate strong/loved things, became a monster, and then Fairy Britain was destroyed), and thus it no longer can dictate her actions beyond occasional urges she can resist easily (and she only has those because she was born a curse). That's how curses work.
Since Barghest is effectively a living curse against Fairy Britain itself
This sounds a lot like, if someone brought enough firepower to capture and hold a Black Dog for the time between Barghest's self-limiters breaking and Fae Britain being ended... After Fae Britain is annihilated, we have a Black Dog held in containment suddenly blinking and scratching her head: "Whoa! Uh... huh? So... what now?" Kingprotea and Paul Bunyan: "Welcome to the big folks' club!" (Titanic Beast Army +1)
(Later, when Barghest accidentally splinters because of reclassing for the summer, Scathach comes by and explains that this sort of thing happens a lot, even to folks who personally showed up instead of deploying from the Throne. Baobhan Sith and Melusine are rather glad they deployed from the Throne because they aren't enthusiastic about certain memories, and deploying from the Throne helps screen those out.)
EDIT: I must point out as that a Japanese insisting that curses are a big deal in his setting + an interpretation of "equivalent exchange" that gives blood sacrifices value = ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE. Because in non-materialist settings, where curses actually work, Japan would have the weight of loathing of 50 million dead (mostly civilians) in East Asia compared to at most 70 million population in their self-proclaimed Yamato race. So no, curses don't work anything like as well in Nasuverse as some folks claim, at least not for primarily material entities i.e. humans. Fae, though, are mainly conceptual, so...
Guardian54 said: EDIT: I must point out as that a Japanese insisting that curses are a big deal in his setting + an interpretation of "equivalent exchange" that gives blood sacrifices value = ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE. Because in non-materialist settings, where curses actually work, Japan would have the weight of loathing of 50 million dead (mostly civilians) in East Asia compared to at most 70 million population in their self-proclaimed Yamato race. So no, curses don't work anything like as well in Nasuverse as some folks claim, at least nto for primarily material entities i.e. humans. Fae, though, are mainly conceptual, so...
Um... I think you might be misinterpreting what qualifies as a "curse" is in the Nasuverse if I'm reading this right...
Curses in the Nasuverse are a well-documented magical phenomenon that has rules and systems on how they work and are invoked. It is described in the stories and side materials as both a type of magecraft and an ability some entities and creatures can use to bring about specific fated events. Curses are not inherently tied to karma, or at least don't have to touch the idea to work at all. You can use magecraft to curse someone to catch a cold or flu, which is what the Rin and Luvia's Gandr curse does at its weakest setting, and it has nothing to do with the weight of sin or if they even deserve it. It is simply forcing fate/destiny to make something happen under certain conditions without the caster needing to maintain or power the effect themselves once the curse takes hold.
Barghest herself was a living curse born when Fairy Britain's previous attempt to kill itself was thwarted by the Fang Clan, so they were cursed to give rise to the next one. And then Barghest herself was cursed to eat and gain power from those she saw as strong and later those she loved, and from there to degenerate into a mindless destroyer to kill Fairy Britain or die trying. Her curse wouldn't even let her kill herself no matter how much she hated herself whenever she killed someone she loved. It sucked, which is why it's such a happy thing that she can now tell her cursed urgings to fuck right off successfully.