Street Fighter - costume tags

@Spatula22 said in forum #441038:

@Damian0358 why did you manually nuke Killer Bee Cammy tag?

I want to raise something that hasn't been discussed in this thread.

On 2026-05-13, over 1,800 posts had costume tags manually removed — including Han Juri (Outfit 1), Han Juri (Outfit 2), and Han Juri (Nostalgia). These tags were in the process of being gardened by multiple users. @Milky24 had independently added han_juri_(outfit_1) to roughly 540 posts and han_juri_(outfit_2) to roughly 160 posts that same day. @janggab and @nebulous_backwash_65 had independently added han_juri_(nostalgia) to posts. @Arlekino_Enjoyer had tagged han_juri_(outfit_1) the day before.

Every one of these was removed by Damian between 10:27 and 10:44 that morning — while other users were still actively adding them. Milky24 tagged post #3647735 with han_juri_(outfit_2) at 10:31. It was removed at 10:34. The work of five independent contributors was undone in seventeen minutes, without a single forum post about it, four days before a competing BUR was submitted on 2026-05-17.

I was told to discuss sweeping changes before making them. That standard should apply equally to removals.

Damian0358 said in forum #441047:

As a tag that basically amounts to cammy_white street_fighter_zero_(series), it wasn't legitimate to begin with.

The lion's share of those posts shouldn't even be tagged Street Fighter Zero (Series) to begin with.

She wears that costume in Capcom vs. SNK, Capcom vs. SNK 2, Gunspike, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Namco x Capcom, SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash, SNK vs Capcom: Card Fighters 2, Street Fighter V, Teppen, and X-Men vs. Street Fighter. X-Men vs. Street Fighter is actually the first game it appeared in. She has worn it outside of the Zero series more than in it.

Searching cammy_white street_fighter_zero_(series) solo, most of those 600+ posts are Cammy wearing the outfit against an empty background or generic scenery, not referencing any specific game. We're even applying that tag to official art from the Marvel vs. Capcom series and the Capcom vs. SNK series purely because she's wearing this costume in them, and no other reason. These posts are explicitly not about Street Fighter Zero.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2

Capcom vs. SNK

X-Men vs. Street Fighter

X-Men vs. Street Fighter

Marvel vs. Capcom 2

The absence of costume tags also causes misattribution in the other direction:
post #11210941 post #10061389 post #9928246 post #6887724 post #6225098 — Chun-Li is wearing her tracksuit, but Cammy White isn't wearing her Killer Bee outfit. These are tagged street_fighter_zero_(series) anyway, because neither of these costumes have dedicated tags. All of these depict Cammy after she joined Delta Red, so this isn't even the same timeframe as the SFZ series. The latter two are Street Fighter 6 fanart. Adding the street_fighter_zero_(series) tag to these is inaccurate, as none of them are about Street Fighter Zero.

post #8360796 post #5761124 post #580596 — I can't tell why these are tagged street_fighter_zero_(series) at all. Cammy isn't wearing the Killer Bee outfit. Is it because Kasugano Sakura, the SFZ debutant, is present?

We compromised in the Sonic Channel thread (forum #344090) that costumes should stop being copy-tagged with their debut copyright once they've appeared across multiple installments, unless the artwork explicitly references that copyright. The same principle should apply here. A copytag is not a costume tag, and ironically it is producing misleading tag bloat across thousands of posts.

Damian0358 said in forum #441047:
If we're focusing on making costume tags for Street Fighter, it should start where all other copytags with costume tags did, which is non-defaults.

The Killer Bee costume didn't debut as a default in a video game, it first appeared in Nakahira Masahiko's Street Fighter Zero manga before being used as Cammy's default in X-Men vs. Street Fighter. But the origin is beside the point: it's a named, visually distinct costume appearing across ten games, a manga series, a comic book series, and the upcoming 2026 film. It needs a tag.

Kalpac has covered the first thing I wanted to say. Cammy_White Street_Fighter_Zero_(Series) only works as a (worse) substitute if you tag every post of the outfit with Street Fighter Zero (Series)--whether it's appropriate or not. It's her Marvel vs. Capcom series outfit--where it debuted.

Overtagging a copyright might be considered one of those things that has to be done to keep the outfit fully searchable. But that's exactly what outfit tags do a better job of. And it was depopulated while a discussion about creating SF outfit tags was ongoing.

In any case, I would think it poor form to manually depopulate a tag with 1k posts that's been around for two years and been involved in BURs and discussions. Anyone aware of the tag now or in the future has no context as to why one day one user just removed it from every post.

And lastly it prevented any discussion on what to do with the posts. Like whether they should be tagged Shadaloo Dolls.

KalpacMuskoxen said in forum #441461:

The work of five independent contributors was undone in seventeen minutes, without a single forum post about it, four days before a competing BUR was submitted on 2026-05-17.

I was told to discuss sweeping changes before making them. That standard should apply equally to removals.

Work that shouldn't have been done in the first place. What I did was just doing what you've been doing every time.

KalpacMuskoxen said in forum #441461:

The lion's share of those posts shouldn't even be tagged Street Fighter Zero (Series) to begin with.

We compromised in the Sonic Channel thread (forum #344090) that costumes should stop being copy-tagged with their debut copyright once they've appeared across multiple installments, unless the artwork explicitly references that copyright. The same principle should apply here. A copytag is not a costume tag, and ironically it is producing misleading tag bloat across thousands of posts.

The Killer Bee costume didn't debut as a default in a video game, it first appeared in Nakahira Masahiko's Street Fighter Zero manga before being used as Cammy's default in X-Men vs. Street Fighter. But the origin is beside the point: it's a named, visually distinct costume appearing across ten games, a manga series, a comic book series, and the upcoming 2026 film.

This ignores how this tagging has been traditionally done for fighting games. I'm sure you yourself noticed the minimal editing that was needed to add the missing appropriate copyright for the default in question. That very fact reveals the underlying truth of how defaults have been tagged for fighting games so far, based on their originating game. This is the practice that has existed before you and I even stepped onto this site, and what you're suggesting is nothing short of upending years of practice. The compromise reached for the Sonic Channel thread was focused on that alone and the precedent it follows, precedent which doesn't exist here.

There is nothing that says this tag needs to exist, just like how we don't have a tag for, say, Joseph Joestar's appearance in Diamond wa Kudakenai, which is just lumped into Joseph Joestar (Old) alongside his Stardust Crusaders appearance, because you can do joseph_joestar_(old) diamond_wa_kudakenai.

topic #36093 for Sabrina (Pokemon Adventures), a highly similar scenario also populated by janggab, shows the communal disinterest in these defaults more broadly.

Spatula22 said in forum #441482:

Kalpac has covered the first thing I wanted to say. Cammy_White Street_Fighter_Zero_(Series) only works as a (worse) substitute if you tag every post of the outfit with Street Fighter Zero (Series)--whether it's appropriate or not. It's her Marvel vs. Capcom series outfit--where it debuted.

Overtagging a copyright might be considered one of those things that has to be done to keep the outfit fully searchable.

Everyone considers it her Street Fighter Zero (Series) costume regardless of its first game debut, and the fact that it even originated from a Zero manga highlights that, as we have to remember that it's a umbrella copyright tag (hence the (series)). What you consider 'overtagging' is just what has been done for the fighting game copyrights up to now.

Spatula22 said in forum #441482:

And lastly it prevented any discussion on what to do with the posts. Like whether they should be tagged Shadaloo Dolls.

And that's what we're doing now, aren't we? As it pertains to Shadaloo Dolls, we'd probably follow practice as we have for something like Remilla Scarlet and vampire, where formally we shouldn't be tagging Shadaloo Dolls on Cammy's Zero design because then the majority of that tag would just be Cammy - and also ignores the fact that the Shadaloo Dolls have a darker blue uniform, which we have tagged under Dolls Cammy in Cammy's case already.

Damian0358 said in forum #441563:

Work that shouldn't have been done in the first place. What I did was just doing what you've been doing every time.

I didn't create the Killer Bee Cammy tag. Adding costume tags and deleting 2,740+ posts worth of costume tags tagged by 18 different users are not equivalent actions.

18 different users tagged these costumes across 2,740+ posts. That includes 940+ posts by 14 users ( @distribooter @gutterratheaven @Haruuspex @Hoshino_Yumemi @MaskedAvenger @Mecho102 @Milky24 @numnum100k @RecolectorVice @Spatula22 @TheUnderDog99 @TrivialMan @user_781002_is_gone and @YewGeneolgia) on Killer Bee Cammy alone — a tag I didn't even create — and 5 users ( @Arlekino_Enjoyer @janggab @Milky24 @nebulous_backwash_65 and myself) on the recurring named default costume tags (860+ Han Juri (Outfit 1) + 400+ Han Juri (Outfit 2) + 540+ Han Juri (Nostalgia)).

All of this was removed by one user, during an active discussion, without posting about it in this topic. Both of my BURs that included named default costume tags received more upvotes than downvotes, and multiple users were using these tags. As @Spatula22 said, it would be poor form to manually depopulate a tag with 1k posts that's been around for two years while a discussion is ongoing.

This is the broadest community participation any Street Fighter official alternate costume tagging effort has seen on this site. Calling it "work that shouldn't have been done" dismisses the contributions of 17 other users.

Damian0358 said in forum #441563:
This is the practice that has existed before you and I even stepped onto this site, and what you're suggesting is nothing short of upending years of practice.

An inaccurate practice becoming old doesn't make it accurate.

Damian0358 said in forum #441563:
I'm sure you yourself noticed the minimal editing that was needed to add the missing appropriate copyright for the default in question.

The "minimal editing needed" to fix these copytags is itself an admission that they were wrong. That's the problem costume tags solve. A copytag tells you which game is being referenced, not which costume is being worn. Those are different pieces of information serving different search needs, and right now one tag is trying to do both jobs and failing at both.

Damian0358 said in forum #441563:
The compromise reached for the Sonic Channel thread was focused on that alone and the precedent it follows, precedent which doesn't exist here.

The principle was that costumes appearing across multiple installments shouldn't be pinned to a single copyright tag. That principle isn't Sonic-specific. It applies to any costume that has outgrown its debut game, which the Killer Bee costume demonstrably has — appearing in ten games across four different franchise crossover series. And a comic book, manga, and upcoming live-action film.

Damian0358 said in forum #441563:
There is nothing that says this tag needs to exist

One more thing. The Killer Bee costume is a named variant in the gacha game Destiny Child, where Cammy appears with two named costumes:

"Delta Red"

and

"Dolls"

"Dolls" is described as "A combat uniform worn long ago, when it was nicknamed Killer Bee".

https://en.namu.wiki/w/%EC%BA%90%EB%AF%B8%28%EB%8D%B0%EC%8A%A4%ED%8B%B0%EB%8B%88%20%EC%B0%A8%EC%9D%BC%EB%93%9C%29

By the standards that have governed costume tagging on this site for years — named costume in a gacha game — this tag is unambiguously legitimate.

This is why I stopped giving Danbooru as much time.

All of our tagging work is underappreciated.

The bulk update request #59741 (forum #440527) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The wikis for these characters need to be fixed to list all of these skins as a gallery of embedded posts.

I'll reiterate what I mentioned in forum #441503: I think it's fine to create costume tags like these, as long as we give ourselves defined rules and we don't go overboard.

For something like Street Fighter it can't be helped because as a fighting game it's deeply skin-based, but I don't want to end up with every anime or game getting 40 1-post tags for costumes only shown on one episode/scene that we have a single fanart of.

Damian0358 said in forum #298915:

After updating Cammy's wiki and going through each of these costumes personally...

With the BUR approved, I did for Chun, Juri, and Laura as I did for Cammy, and I got reminded why I suffered so much. Capcom is horrible at keeping release dates in order, and the costume sections for SFV on their website do not follow release order. So I'm over here digging through patch notes, old blog and press releases, news outlets, and even digging through SteamDB for old DLC entries just to figure this shit out.

Would appreciate someone double-checking what I wrote in the wikis.

BUR #60318 has been rejected.

nuke ingrid_(midnight_bliss)_(capcom)

Now, @Boy01, I know you're thinking to yourself, "Oh, we have Street Fighter costume tags now, and Ingrid's Outfit 3 that got revealed is a deep cut reference, just like Chun-Li's Outfit 4! Let me make a tag for it using the tagging practice established."

As discussed earlier above with the default costume tags, current practice dictates that if you can do a two-tag search for a costume easily, such in those cases, and you get your wanted result as the majority, then it doesn't need its own tag. In this case, this tag 100% overlaps with ingrid_(capcom) midnight_bliss. So by some stretch of logic, we shouldn't need this tag. However...

BUR #60319 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias ingrid_(sf6_outfit_3)_(capcom) -> ingrid_(midnight_bliss)_(capcom)
create implication ingrid_(midnight_bliss)_(capcom) -> ingrid_(capcom)

Per the comment NNT just made above in forum #442388, and referencing forum #441503, there's also arguments to be made that with the adoption of costume tagging practice, this is now a perfectly fine design to make a tag for, and that it should stay. This wouldn't impact the default costume tags, but it could impact any other potential fighting game costumes currently being tagged with gentags, such as Guilty Gear Strive x Tower Records, especially if they become playable designs like in Ingrid's case.

So I'm providing both options.

The bulk update request #60318 (forum #442498) has been rejected by @evazion.

The bulk update request #60319 (forum #442499) has been approved by @evazion.

This outfit is going viral on Twitter at the moment, so it's worth having a tag for.

Can someone chime in on the differences between han_juri_(christmas) and han_juri_(holiday)?

Looking at the official art itself, Battle Combination's Christmas has her wearing a Santa hat, the top section has a Santa-esque fur-trimmed bit, long white gloves, white thighhighs, and fur-trimmed Santa boots, while V's Holiday has a tiny festive hat, an enormous fur collar, long red gloves with fur trimming, and long red boots (with red lacy thighhighs sticking out?? I have no idea what those are). There are details I cannot differentiate like the back of the Holiday one and a full shot of the front of the Christmas one, as well as whether the Christmas one has the black bit above the skirt like the Holiday one does, but otherwise, they are different.

With that in mind though, if you actually compare the art/3D model of either to the posts tagged, there is some questionable tagged posts here... some of which were done by you, Kikimaru.

user_781002_is_gone said in forum #443579:

Can someone chime in on the differences between han_juri_(christmas) and han_juri_(holiday)?

Han Juri (Christmas) is specifically the Street Fighter: Battle Combination costume (santa hat, fur-trimmed bra, white gloves, white thighhighs). Han Juri (Holiday) is the Street Fighter V Holiday pack costume (mini top hat, fur collar, red fingerless gloves, lace thighhighs). They're different outfits. Generic Christmas fanart that doesn't depict either specific costume shouldn't get either tag. There are visual references both on Han Juri's wiki page as well as the individual costume wiki entries, if you need something to reference while tagging!

Damian0358 said in forum #443580:

Looking at the official art itself, Battle Combination's Christmas has her wearing a Santa hat, the top section has a Santa-esque fur-trimmed bit, long white gloves, white thighhighs, and fur-trimmed Santa boots, while V's Holiday has a tiny festive hat, an enormous fur collar, long red gloves with fur trimming, and long red boots (with red lacy thighhighs sticking out?? I have no idea what those are). There are details I cannot differentiate like the back of the Holiday one and a full shot of the front of the Christmas one, as well as whether the Christmas one has the black bit above the skirt like the Holiday one does, but otherwise, they are different.

With that in mind though, if you actually compare the art/3D model of either to the posts tagged, there is some questionable tagged posts here... some of which were done by you, Kikimaru.

Yes, after tagging I wasn't sure I got it right.

BUR #60938 has been approved by @evazion.

create implication cammy_white_(sf5_swimsuit) -> cammy_white
create implication cammy_white_(ssf2_swimsuit) -> cammy_white
create alias cammy_white_(sf6_outfit_4) -> cammy_white_(ssf2_swimsuit)

So, now that Kalp's finally touched up the Cammy wiki with assets, there's three matters to be discussed. None of them are relevant to the BUR itself, this is just here to draw attention.

The first one is a matter of wiki organization: currently, the costumes are sorted in rough release order from game to game, and in the appearance section showing off their defaults, you'll occasionally see "pictured" assets showing a design as it appeared in-game in a later entry (ex. Sagat's SF1 design, but in SF5). So far, such "pictured" examples have been kept to the appearance section, but Kalp has attempted to spread them over to the costumes too, particularly those for costumes that appeared previously elsewhere unplayable (ex. Ibuki and Elena's SF3 school uniforms, appearing as their first Alternates in SF4). The reason why this is relevant is that this can encourage reordering the costumes in order of pure appearance and not just playability, so in Cammy's case, her SF6 Outfit 4 being listed before her first SF4 Alternate. I changed it so that it's back in its playable order, but we should probably decide how we want to sort these suckers (especially since, as I've mentioned before, Capcom's own order for SF5 on their website isn't based on initial release order like on fan wikis, but final release order, so initially time-limited costumes get pushed further back in order).

The second one is about Cammy White (Super Alternate). Fundamentally speaking, it's M. Bison (cosplay), which is why it was listed as such previously in the wiki. It's how Cammy would look were Bison to have possessed her. So I'd argue it should fall under the cosplay tag and not have its own tag - but the design is also not wholly Bison, since it's obviously Cammy-optimized. If we keep the tag, we have to remove the Bison cosplay tag, in my opinion. On that note, we could also discuss the shared costumes in the SF5 Track Suit, and the SF6 DriveTech Wear.

May as well point out that I've been removing redundant 'SF6'-es from the qualifiers of characters that literally debuted with the game. It could be argued that, if they appear later, we'd just have to add them back in anyway, but we're committed to maintaining these tags anyway, so that's not really an issue. I've not touched other potential instances for redundant 'SF' in qualifiers for other characters out of respect to Kalp, since he's also going through costumes in the SF mobile games, so, say, I can't remove the 'SF3' from Elena (SF3 School Uniform) (Street Fighter) because I've got no clue if she has a mobile game-exclusive school uniform.

The bulk update request #60938 (forum #444632) has been approved by @evazion.

Just bringing this to everyone's attention, as to not have redundant double linking within the wikis (especially with the same renders/costumes next to each other) I would suggest not linking the same page twice if it's already linked in the wiki itself.

If it's the characters default (Outfit 1), just put the game it's from without the link, if there isn't already a render/artwork next to the default costume, you shouldn't feel obligated to put "Default", only if it's the same costume.