BUR #60033 is pending approval.
mass update bruce_wayne -batman -> char:bruce_wayne_(civilian) -bruce_wayne
mass update bruce_wayne batman -> batman -bruce_wayne
create alias batman -> bruce_wayne_(batman)
create implication bruce_wayne_(batman) -> bruce_wayne
create implication bruce_wayne_(civilian) -> bruce_wayne
Next is Bruce Wayne, since he's already a more complex case than Superman.
Please don't propose other BURs in this topic, we gotta deal with these one by one or it'll just turn into chaos.
This is the "easy" part of the hard case of batman.
The hard part of the hard part is that we also have Batman (Absolute DC) and Bruce Wayne (Absolute DC), which is a small version of the mess we have with Marvel and the various peter parkers.
We also have Superboy-Prime which is distinct from Superboy in that he's supposed to be an alternate version of Clark Kent. We'll deal with him later.
How do we deal with alternate versions of what is obviously the same character? More BURs to follow.
There are four ways we could approach these tags.
I am deliberately excluding double implications of each tag to bruce_wayne_(absolute_dc)/bruce_wayne_(batman)/bruce_wayne_(civilian) at the same time because it will result in a geometric explosion of implication chains and will turn the sidebar and this whole deal into a nightmare.
First Option (1):
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post #11354098:
Upsides: limited nesting and amount of tags
Downsides: hard to search and understand. It's not intuitive that you need to add a modifier chartag just to search for absolute DC civilian bruce wayne. There's no point in this if we already have Absolute Batman/Absolute DC as modifiers.
Second Option (2):
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post #11354098:
Upsides: absolute bruce wayne in one place
Downsides: we can't search for all of bruce wayne batman or all of bruce wayne civilian. I think this is a non-starter.
Third Option (3):
post #11354376:
post #11354098:
Upsides: easy to search for and understand. All of batman / all of the civilian in one place.
Downsides: a lot of nesting, and we still need to use Absolute DC to find all versions of absolute bruce wayne.
Fourth Option (4):
post #11354376:
post #11354098:
Upsides: absolute bruce wayne in one place
Downsides: ignores the existence of something like Marvel Rivals or Multiversus: https://multiversus.fandom.com/wiki/Variants#Superman
Option 1 is confusing, it clashes with how we do things in the rest of the site, so I don't think it's viable if we're trying to actually fix these tags and make them more consistent with everything else.
Option 2 doesn't work either because we don't want to have to use N tags to just see Bruce Wayne as Batman or as a civilian.
Option 3 is going to result in a proliferation of a lot of subtags, turning superhero franchises into something closer to gachas than the rest of our copyrights. I am not a fan of this.
Option 4 to me is the more sensible option.
I am going to propose separate BURs for option 3 and option 4, including Superman since his main case was covered by the opening BUR.
Personally I'm for Option 4, as it's the one that will result in less of a headache while still offering full search capability for those who care. For example, absolute_batman bruce_wayne or absolute_batman bruce_wayne_(civilian) will give you everything you want, and you'd still need to do the first search in any case. It's also the closest to the status quo, because only a few subseries currently are using chartags like this.
Feel free to argue or counterpropose BURs regarding Bruce Wayne/Superman (and only them, please. Don't derail the thread).
